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NYPD Judge Recommends Firing Officer Over Eric Garner's Chokehold Death

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NYPD judge recommends firing officer over Eric Garner's chokehold death

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A New York City police department administrative judge has recommended that a police officer should be fired over the 2014 chokehold death of Eric Garner, a black man whose dying words — "I can't breathe" — became a national rallying cry against police brutality.

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The judge's findings in the disciplinary case of Officer Daniel Pantaleo were provided to his lawyer and the city agency that acted as a prosecutor at his department trial last spring.

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The Civilian Complaint Review Board chairman said the judge had recommended Pantaleo be dismissed. Pantaleo's lawyer will have about two weeks to submit responses.

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A final decision on whether to fire Pantaleo rests with police commissioner James O'Neill, who is expected to issue his decision later this month, according to NYPD spokesman Phillip Walzak.

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Pantaleo has been suspended effective Friday pending that decision consistent with departmental policy, Walzak said. Walzak said that O'Neill has not yet been provided the draft report of the judge's recommendation, and that his decision will be based on a review of the completed report, which will include comments from Pantaleo's attorney and the CCRB.

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"All of New York City understandably seeks closure to this difficult chapter in our city's history," the statement said.

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In a statement, Garner's daughter Emerald Snipes Garner said the family is calling on O'Neill to follow the recommendation and "fire Daniel Pantaleo now."

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Garner's death — after he refused to be handcuffed for allegedly selling loose, untaxed cigarettes — came at a time of a growing public outcry over police killings of unarmed black men that gave impetus to the national Black Lives Matter movement. Just weeks later, protests erupted in Ferguson, Missouri, over the fatal shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown. When a Staten Island grand jury declined to indict Pantaleo on state charges in December 2014, demonstrations flared in New York and several other cities.

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Pantaleo faced a long-delayed departmental trial in May to determine whether he violated department rules. The Justice Department last month said it would not bring a civil rights case against him after a five-year investigation.

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The administrative judge, NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Trials Rosemarie Maldonado, had been tasked with deciding whether Pantaleo used a banned chokehold to take Eric Garner to the ground during a tense confrontation on a Staten Island street. Pantaleo's lawyers had argued he used an approved "seat belt" technique to subdue Garner, but a medical examiner ruled a chokehold set off a lethal sequence of events.

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New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch blasted the judge's recommendation as "pure political insanity." He said the judge "ignored evidence and trampled P.O. Pantaleo's due process rights in order to deliver the results that the grandstanding politicians and protesters demand."

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He said if O'Neill upholds the decision, it will send a message to city officers that they are "expendable."

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"[O'Neill] knows that if he affirms this horrendous decision, he will lose his police department," Lynch said.

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In a statement, Garner's mother Gwen Carr said her family has fought for five years for justice for her son, but that de Blasio and the NYPD "have put up roadblocks and delays every step of the way." She called the judge's recommendation "long overdue," and said while it brings her some relief, she has not seen it.

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Carr called for investigations of other officers involved, saying "we still have a ways to go before there is true accountability for Eric's murder."

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"My son deserves more than recommendations; he deserves justice," she said.

[Edited 8/2/19 12:23pm]

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Reply #1 posted 08/02/19 12:22pm

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Musicslave said:

NYPD judge recommends firing officer over Eric Garner's chokehold death

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A New York City police department administrative judge has recommended that a police officer should be fired over the 2014 chokehold death of Eric Garner, a black man whose dying words — "I can't breathe" — became a national rallying cry against police brutality.

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The judge's findings in the disciplinary case of Officer Daniel Pantaleo were provided to his lawyer and the city agency that acted as a prosecutor at his department trial last spring.

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The Civilian Complaint Review Board chairman said the judge had recommended Pantaleo be dismissed. Pantaleo's lawyer will have about two weeks to submit responses.

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I think DeBlasio was asked about this after the last debate. He said they have to adhere to due process

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Reply #2 posted 08/02/19 12:28pm

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Musicslave said:

NYPD judge recommends firing officer over Eric Garner's chokehold death

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A New York City police department administrative judge has recommended that a police officer should be fired over the 2014 chokehold death of Eric Garner, a black man whose dying words — "I can't breathe" — became a national rallying cry against police brutality.

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The judge's findings in the disciplinary case of Officer Daniel Pantaleo were provided to his lawyer and the city agency that acted as a prosecutor at his department trial last spring.

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The Civilian Complaint Review Board chairman said the judge had recommended Pantaleo be dismissed. Pantaleo's lawyer will have about two weeks to submit responses.

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I think DeBlasio was asked about this after the last debate. He said they have to adhere to due process

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Sure. Provide due process but in the end, Pantaleo should lose his job. But as you can see in my edited post, the Police Commissioner is going to get bullied by police.....

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New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch blasted the judge's recommendation as "pure political insanity." He said the judge "ignored evidence and trampled P.O. Pantaleo's due process rights in order to deliver the results that the grandstanding politicians and protesters demand."

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He said if O'Neill upholds the decision, it will send a message to city officers that they are "expendable."

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"[O'Neill] knows that if he affirms this horrendous decision, he will lose his police department," Lynch said.

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And for the record: Fred Flintstone aka Attorney General William Barr is probably my next to least favorite political figure in America right now....

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The Justice Department last month said it would not bring a civil rights case against him after a five-year investigation.

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Reply #3 posted 08/02/19 12:30pm

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Good... I do not think it was a federal crime--but not called for.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #4 posted 08/02/19 12:33pm

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Musicslave said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


I think DeBlasio was asked about this after the last debate. He said they have to adhere to due process

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Sure. Provide due process but in the end, Pantaleo should lose his job. But as you can see in my edited post, the Police Commissioner is going to get bullied by police.....

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New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch blasted the judge's recommendation as "pure political insanity." He said the judge "ignored evidence and trampled P.O. Pantaleo's due process rights in order to deliver the results that the grandstanding politicians and protesters demand."

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He said if O'Neill upholds the decision, it will send a message to city officers that they are "expendable."

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"[O'Neill] knows that if he affirms this horrendous decision, he will lose his police department," Lynch said.

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And for the record: Fred Flintstone aka Attorney General William Barr is probably my next to least favorite political figure in America right now....

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The Justice Department last month said it would not bring a civil rights case against him after a five-year investigation.

yeah it is not the city's fault there is overwhelming evidence... sometimes getting full and fair due process is just a formality. But sometimes people confuse their opinion with facts... but in this case is seems clear that a major violation occurred.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force.
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Reply #6 posted 08/02/19 1:09pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Musicslave said:

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Sure. Provide due process but in the end, Pantaleo should lose his job. But as you can see in my edited post, the Police Commissioner is going to get bullied by police.....

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New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch blasted the judge's recommendation as "pure political insanity." He said the judge "ignored evidence and trampled P.O. Pantaleo's due process rights in order to deliver the results that the grandstanding politicians and protesters demand."

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He said if O'Neill upholds the decision, it will send a message to city officers that they are "expendable."

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"[O'Neill] knows that if he affirms this horrendous decision, he will lose his police department," Lynch said.

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And for the record: Fred Flintstone aka Attorney General William Barr is probably my next to least favorite political figure in America right now....

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The Justice Department last month said it would not bring a civil rights case against him after a five-year investigation.

yeah it is not the city's fault there is overwhelming evidence... sometimes getting full and fair due process is just a formality. But sometimes people confuse their opinion with facts... but in this case is seems clear that a major violation occurred.

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What do you think should (not will) happen to Officer Pantaleo?

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Reply #7 posted 08/02/19 1:15pm

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2elijah said:

It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force. [Edited 8/2/19 13:09pm]

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According to the medical examiner, "a chokehold set off a lethal sequence of events."

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Patrick Lynch needs to sit the fu** down. Soon he'll be telling the police commissioner not to let the "mob" bully him into a decision. So, instead he's going to try to bully the commissioner into a decision he and his fellow officers want.

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Got it Patrick thumbs up!

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Musicslave said:

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I think DeBlasio was asked about this after the last debate. He said they have to adhere to due process

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Sure. Provide due process but in the end, Pantaleo should lose his job. But as you can see in my edited post, the Police Commissioner is going to get bullied by police.....

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New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch blasted the judge's recommendation as "pure political insanity." He said the judge "ignored evidence and trampled P.O. Pantaleo's due process rights in order to deliver the results that the grandstanding politicians and protesters demand."

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He said if O'Neill upholds the decision, it will send a message to city officers that they are "expendable."

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"[O'Neill] knows that if he affirms this horrendous decision, he will lose his police department," Lynch said.

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And for the record: Fred Flintstone aka Attorney General William Barr is probably my next to least favorite political figure in America right now....

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The Justice Department last month said it would not bring a civil rights case against him after a five-year investigation.

I agree. Seems they all were passing the bureaucratic buck on how to handle this

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2elijah said:

It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force. [Edited 8/2/19 13:09pm]

Precisely.

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2elijah said:


It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force. [Edited 8/2/19 13:09pm]

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According to the medical examiner, "a chokehold set off a lethal sequence of events."


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Patrick Lynch needs to sit the fu** down. Soon he'll be telling the police commissioner not to let the "mob" bully him into a decision. So, instead he's going to try to bully the commissioner into a decision he and his fellow officers want.


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Got it Patrick thumbs up!


I don’t know how he has kept his job for so long. He’s not the type that would try to mend things with police and the Black community. He can’t possibly expect that no police officer will ever be charged with s crime/lose their job if found guilty of contributing to a victim’s death. If you look at the vid, it was definitely excessive/unnecessary force.
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2elijah said:


It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force. [Edited 8/2/19 13:09pm]


Precisely.


That’s the same thing that happened to another victim, Anthony Baez years ago. Died from asphyxiation, after a chokehold from a cop.
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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Precisely.

That’s the same thing that happened to another victim, Anthony Baez years ago. Died from asphyxiation, after a chokehold from a cop.

Happens over and over but the fraternity of bad cops seems to keep getting away with it neutral

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Precisely.



That’s the same thing that happened to another victim, Anthony Baez years ago. Died from asphyxiation, after a chokehold from a cop.


Happens over and over but the fraternity of bad cops seems to keep getting away with it neutral


For years. I’ve lost count. It’s like if a bad cop kills an unarmed victim, they know they could get away with it, by lying or planting false evidence. Especially if the victim(s) are persons of color.

They stick to the blue code like an inside gang. They’ll harass good cops who will not cover for the actions of bad cops.
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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Happens over and over but the fraternity of bad cops seems to keep getting away with it neutral

For years. I’ve lost count. It’s like if a bad cop kills an unarmed victim, they know they could get away with it, by lying or planting false evidence. Especially if the victim(s) are persons of color. They stick to the blue code like an inside gang. They’ll harass good cops who will not cover for the actions of bad cops. [Edited 8/2/19 13:57pm]



Which is why Colin was kneeling - but of course people are boycotting Nike because they do ont understand what he was doing. disbelief

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Happens over and over but the fraternity of bad cops seems to keep getting away with it neutral



For years. I’ve lost count. It’s like if a bad cop kills an unarmed victim, they know they could get away with it, by lying or planting false evidence. Especially if the victim(s) are persons of color. They stick to the blue code like an inside gang. They’ll harass good cops who will not cover for the actions of bad cops. [Edited 8/2/19 13:57pm]



Which is why Colin was kneeling - but of course people are boycotting Nike because they do ont understand what he was doing. disbelief



They understand. They’re like trump who thinks no American should expose or protest against America’s injustices. If they do, they get bashed for it.

Just imagine if the civil rights protests were today, trump and the repubs, the jerks at FOX cable network, and their right-wing supporters would call them terrorists.
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Reply #16 posted 08/02/19 3:43pm

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Should have been fired a long time ago.

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2elijah said:

It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force. [Edited 8/2/19 13:09pm]

it was not illegal... thoes that say it was...what was the term? are "Partisan liars..."


if you can talk... you are breathing...


but I agree the act was excessive and not necessary... (they knew him and they did not really NEED to arrest him right there and then just to enforce the far left tax.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Musicslave said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah it is not the city's fault there is overwhelming evidence... sometimes getting full and fair due process is just a formality. But sometimes people confuse their opinion with facts... but in this case is seems clear that a major violation occurred.

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What do you think should (not will) happen to Officer Pantaleo?

he should be out of law enforcment...

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #19 posted 08/02/19 5:34pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



2elijah said:


It was an illegal choke hold. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe but the cop wouldn’t let go. So he had no regard for Garner’s life. That chokehold contributed to his death. The entire way they took him down, was unnecessary force. [Edited 8/2/19 13:09pm]



it was not illegal... thoes that say it was...what was the term? are "Partisan liars..."


if you can talk... you are breathing...


but I agree the act was excessive and not necessary... (they knew him and they did not really NEED to arrest him right there and then just to enforce the far left tax.


Wtf? Bullshit..The man told them he couldn’t breathe, and they should have listened, not continue to choke him, and then hold his head down.

I hope the cop gets fired. Justice for Garner.
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Should have been fired a long time ago.


Way overdue. It’s time he’s out the force. The whole takedown was unnecessary.
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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it was not illegal... thoes that say it was...what was the term? are "Partisan liars..."


if you can talk... you are breathing...


but I agree the act was excessive and not necessary... (they knew him and they did not really NEED to arrest him right there and then just to enforce the far left tax.

Wtf? Bullshit..The man told them he couldn’t breathe, and they should have listened, not continue to choke him, and then hold his head down. I hope the cop gets fired. Justice for Garner.

to talk you have to breath... that is why if you are ever actually choking (that is a blocked airway) you can not speak... it happened to me twice... *In the Army* I could not speak! Both times someone did the Heimlich... Both times I could not talk or make any sounds... I had to do the sign for it and both times they thought I was joking...

But YES I agree he should have backed off.. the fact that Eric said he was not going in and then he redisted is not a justified reason to do what was done.

and again the chokehold was NOT illegal. PERIOD.

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:



2elijah said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:




it was not illegal... thoes that say it was...what was the term? are "Partisan liars..."


if you can talk... you are breathing...


but I agree the act was excessive and not necessary... (they knew him and they did not really NEED to arrest him right there and then just to enforce the far left tax.



Wtf? Bullshit..The man told them he couldn’t breathe, and they should have listened, not continue to choke him, and then hold his head down. I hope the cop gets fired. Justice for Garner.



to talk you have to breath... that is why if you are ever actually choking (that is a blocked airway) you can not speak... it happened to me twice... *In the Army* I could not speak! Both times someone did the Heimlich... Both times I could not talk or make any sounds... I had to do the sign for it and both times they thought I was joking...

But YES I agree he should have backed off.. the fact that Eric said he was not going in and then he redisted is not a justified reason to do what was done.

and again the chokehold was NOT illegal. PERIOD.


Just stop. This isn’t about you, it’s about Garner's death, caused by a cop. The cop was wrong for using the chokehold which jumpstarted the breathing issue, and he was still holding onto Garmer’s neck, as the other cops helped bring Garner’s body to the ground, and while another cop held Garner’s head down tightly on the ground. They treat animals better than that. He wasn’t s mass shooter or a rapist. He sold cigarettes to feed his family. His wife said some of those cops used to harass Garner and his wife prior to the day they killed him. So they were familiar with Garner, and they let their authority go too far.

Anyone could see from that vid, how long he held onto Garner’s throat. In a past article, I read Garner had asthma. That’s the same type of chokehold, by a cop, that contributed to Anthony Baez’ death years ago in NYC, and Baez also had asthma. The problem with bad/poorly trained/rogue cops is that for too long, they are used to getting away with abusing/or killing unarmed citizens, especially citizens from communities of color. The excessive force was uncalled for as well.
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The cop should be fired and tried for manslaughter at least. He killed Eric Garner like a rabid dog on the street. A seven-second chokehold murdered a husband and father for selling a goddamn cigarette on the street. Such a fucking horrible crime when there are ten-year-old girls being kidnapped and put into human trafficking. But no - let's get them Newports off the street.

All cops are bastards. Period.

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Reply #24 posted 08/02/19 8:15pm

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

to talk you have to breath... that is why if you are ever actually choking (that is a blocked airway) you can not speak... it happened to me twice... *In the Army* I could not speak! Both times someone did the Heimlich... Both times I could not talk or make any sounds... I had to do the sign for it and both times they thought I was joking...

But YES I agree he should have backed off.. the fact that Eric said he was not going in and then he redisted is not a justified reason to do what was done.

and again the chokehold was NOT illegal. PERIOD.

Just stop. This isn’t about you, it’s about Garber’s death, caused by a cop. The cop was wrong for using the chokehold which jumpstarted the breathing issue, and he was still holding onto Garmer’s neck, as the other cops helped bring Garner’s body to the ground, and a cop held Garner’s head down tightly on the ground. In a past article, I read Garner had asthma. That’s the same type of chokehold, by a cop, that contributed to Anthony Baez’ death years ago in NYC, and Baez also had asthma. [Edited 8/2/19 18:07pm]

yeah eric had medical issues... morbid obesity and high blood pressure and diabetes...he also resisted arrest... my only real issue with anything you said was that the hold was illegal. It was not-PERIOD

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #25 posted 08/02/19 9:15pm

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PERIOD omfg omfg omfg omfg

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the NYPD banned the chokehold in 1993. While not necessarily illegal as its own classification, they are explicitly prohibited by NY police code, and would get anyone using one arrested under a broader applicable law, such as assault, likely level 2 under NY law

https://www.martinkanelaw...-new-york/


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Reply #27 posted 08/02/19 10:32pm

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Additionally, not all chokeholds result in total and complete air cut off.

There are two kinds of chokeholds: air choke and blood choke. One cuts off air, once cuts off blood flow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.or.../Chokehold

Guess which one causes heart attacks like the one that killed garner?

So, yea... his dying words “I cant breath” weren’t only correct, they were very much possible to say.

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Reply #28 posted 08/02/19 10:35pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:


But sometimes people confuse their opinion with facts...

Yea, they really do.
liars gonna lie, frauds gonna fraud.
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Reply #29 posted 08/02/19 10:39pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:
But sometimes people confuse their opinion with facts...
Yea, they really do.

They sure do.

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