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Reply #120 posted 08/25/19 4:34pm

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I ALWAYS said I treat people EXACTLY how they treat me. You call me a nasty disgusting name, I call you one back. I would never use these type of words or violence UNPROVOKED! You lay a finger on me, and I will beat your fucking brains in. I never said I was a pacifist. And I'm willing to fight back if I had to. It's not my fault if other people are too weak or scared to stand up for themselves. An eye for an eye...

Move thoes goal post.... again do you admit you were not correct when you said:


Not one thing I ever posted here could be considered "racist " or "bigoted " by any reasonable person or those who aren't pushing an agenda

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Reply #121 posted 08/25/19 4:35pm

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jjhunsecker said:


Not one thing I ever posted here could be considered "racist " or "bigoted " by any reasonable person or those who aren't pushing an agenda



ANYTHING to distance himself from calling Eric Garner a dirt bag upthread.

See the source image



They always reveal their true feelings eventually...
Look at that recently released Reagan and Nixon tape.
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Reply #122 posted 08/25/19 4:45pm

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I don't have time for bullshit word games..

And what is the saying about stones and glass houses?
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Reply #123 posted 08/25/19 4:51pm

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poppys said:


ANYTHING to distance himself from calling Eric Garner a dirt bag upthread.

See the source image


They always reveal their true feelings eventually... Look at that recently released Reagan and Nixon tape.


The org suffers from selective reporting. Ask Colon Cancernick.

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Reply #124 posted 08/25/19 4:56pm

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I don't have time for bullshit word games.. And what is the saying about stones and glass houses?

I do think I have posted anything racist or bigoted...maybe I have...(I referred to a woman as a cow which when called out on I accepted it...and I used a term I was told was derogatory. So I have never used them again)

funny how you made the claim and got proven to be less than accurate and now I am the one showing my true feelings! LOL (is dirt bag an identity based slur?)

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Reply #125 posted 08/25/19 4:57pm

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poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:
They always reveal their true feelings eventually... Look at that recently released Reagan and Nixon tape.


The org suffers from selective reporting. Ask Colon Cancernick.

is that an idenity based slur? *and you used one too! shall I post the screen cap?

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Reply #126 posted 08/25/19 5:03pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:


The org suffers from selective reporting. Ask Colon Cancernick.

is that an idenity based slur? *and you used one too! shall I post the screen cap?


Go ahead. You reported it.

What Slam Glam said about another orger wasn't bigoted? Just stop it.

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Reply #127 posted 08/25/19 5:09pm

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I tell my truth, and sometimes recount the ugly and disturbing words that were used. The world I was raised in was often violent and racist.

But I hope people remember their OWN history and past actions before they complain about others or make inaccurate accusations and out of context ad hominem attacks
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Reply #128 posted 08/25/19 7:59pm

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poppys said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




poppys said:




The org suffers from selective reporting. Ask Colon Cancernick.





is that an idenity based slur? *and you used one too! shall I post the screen cap?




Go ahead. You reported it.

What Slam Glam said about another orger wasn't bigoted? Just stop it.



Slam Glam has some pair of balls to comment on other posters comments and history
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Reply #129 posted 08/25/19 8:02pm

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:


Go ahead. You reported it.

What Slam Glam said about another orger wasn't bigoted? Just stop it.


Slam Glam has some pair of balls to comment on other posters comments and history


Rampant whataboutism.

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Reply #130 posted 08/25/19 8:10pm

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poppys said:



jjhunsecker said:


poppys said:



Go ahead. You reported it.

What Slam Glam said about another orger wasn't bigoted? Just stop it.




Slam Glam has some pair of balls to comment on other posters comments and history


Rampant whataboutism.



Didn't he grovel like a dog?
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Reply #131 posted 08/25/19 8:22pm

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:


Rampant whataboutism.



Didn't he grovel like a dog?


lol and now he made tracks, as per usual.

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Reply #132 posted 08/25/19 10:28pm

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poppys said:



jjhunsecker said:


poppys said:



Rampant whataboutism.





Didn't he grovel like a dog?


lol and now he made tracks, as per usual.



A classic case of projecting onto others what you want to cover up about yourself
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Reply #133 posted 08/26/19 5:30am

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:


lol and now he made tracks, as per usual.

A classic case of projecting onto others what you want to cover up about yourself

The Right Wing way.

"hey if you found out someone gave you a fake $20 would you be mad?"It is in fact #TRUTH
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Reply #134 posted 08/26/19 6:45am

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I’m glad the police officer who did the chokehold was fired. He got away with it for the past couple of years, but Karma never fails to show up on time.

Rest In Peace Mr. Garner. rose
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Reply #135 posted 08/26/19 9:12am

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I’m glad the police officer who did the chokehold was fired. He got away with it for the past couple of years, but Karma never fails to show up on time. Rest In Peace Mr. Garner. rose

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Yeah, Hopefully trump or some other right wing nut won't hire him just to spite the Commissioner's decision. He does not belong on anyone's police force or security team. NYC or otherwise.

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He's lucky he's not locked up. I thought the Commissioner was going to cry for Pantaleo during his press conference. There has to be a deterrent for these modern day klansmen behind the blue uniform. Some simply traded their white uniforms for a blue one. No shade on the good guys behind the badge though. God bless them.

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I'm glad there's more and more racist officers being exposed on their social media feeds.

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Reply #136 posted 08/26/19 9:19am

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Musicslave said:



2elijah said:


I’m glad the police officer who did the chokehold was fired. He got away with it for the past couple of years, but Karma never fails to show up on time. Rest In Peace Mr. Garner. rose

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Yeah, Hopefully trump or some other right wing nut won't hire him just to spite the Commissioner's decision. He does not belong on anyone's police force or security team. NYC or otherwise.


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He's lucky he's not locked up. I thought the Commissioner was going to cry for Pantaleo during his press conference. There has to be a deterrent for these modern day klansmen behind the blue uniform. Some simply traded their white uniforms for a blue one. No shade on the good guys behind the badge though. God bless them.


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I'm glad there's more and more racist officers being exposed on their social media feeds.


@bolded part. Me too, but unfortunately, so many years too late.
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Reply #137 posted 08/26/19 9:21am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

It's definitely a pattern

a pattern of blaming the killers and calling what they did crimes? A pattern of Not allowing race be a factor in my analysis. As some here seem to do.

Some think that poiting out contrbuting factors only to *in the vast majority of cases* dissmiss them as being a non-Exculpatory is the opposite of what it is.

The fact that most of these victims are not the best citizens... Brown had just robbed a store and attacked a cop, Gray evaded arrest, and Garner resisted arrest... all are a legal basis for an arrest. None of them complied.

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Arrest sure but not loss of life. The innate hostility towards people of color especially black men in particular is sad, unfortunate, racist and indisputable. The problem is the prejudice and preconceived notion that all or most black men are a threat or violent. That presumption doesn't happen with white suspects.

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The prejudice is how things escalate from 0-100 so quickly. The presumption causes the officer to respond a certain way to said suspect and the suspect (because of the bad history with law enforcement in black and brown communities) respond a certain way as well. Sometimes this leads to the "cut and run" decision. Bad decision yes but again, the history leads to this bad choice of action.

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Reply #138 posted 08/26/19 9:27am

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2elijah said:

Musicslave said:

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Yeah, Hopefully trump or some other right wing nut won't hire him just to spite the Commissioner's decision. He does not belong on anyone's police force or security team. NYC or otherwise.

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He's lucky he's not locked up. I thought the Commissioner was going to cry for Pantaleo during his press conference. There has to be a deterrent for these modern day klansmen behind the blue uniform. Some simply traded their white uniforms for a blue one. No shade on the good guys behind the badge though. God bless them.

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I'm glad there's more and more racist officers being exposed on their social media feeds.

@bolded part. Me too, but unfortunately, so many years too late.

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Yup. If we're counting on social media post to cleanse our police departments from the racist officers in their departments we all lose.

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The key is in the hiring process, better training (especially de-escalation), stiffer penalties as deterrents for those who may not have the best intentions for joining the force but will keep their ass in check because of those penalties. (I'm sure there's a lot more that could be done)

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20 days suspensions aren't going to cut it. If you've been on the force for any number of years, that ain't nothing but a 20 day vacation.

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Reply #139 posted 08/26/19 9:29am

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Musicslave said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

a pattern of blaming the killers and calling what they did crimes? A pattern of Not allowing race be a factor in my analysis. As some here seem to do.

Some think that poiting out contrbuting factors only to *in the vast majority of cases* dissmiss them as being a non-Exculpatory is the opposite of what it is.

The fact that most of these victims are not the best citizens... Brown had just robbed a store and attacked a cop, Gray evaded arrest, and Garner resisted arrest... all are a legal basis for an arrest. None of them complied.

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Arrest sure but not loss of life. The innate hostility towards people of color especially black men in particular is sad, unfortunate, racist and indisputable. The problem is the prejudice and preconceived notion that all or most black men are a threat or violent. That assumption doesn't happen with white suspects.

Very true. Yet when you point out that race may be a factor, there are people who will call you a "race hustler" or some such nonsense.

And remember, this poster you're responding to referred to Eric Garner as a "dirtbag" ...that tells us a lot

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Reply #140 posted 08/26/19 9:35am

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jjhunsecker said:

Musicslave said:

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Arrest sure but not loss of life. The innate hostility towards people of color especially black men in particular is sad, unfortunate, racist and indisputable. The problem is the prejudice and preconceived notion that all or most black men are a threat or violent. That assumption doesn't happen with white suspects.

Very true. Yet when you point out that race may be a factor, there are people who will call you a "race hustler" or some such nonsense.

And remember, this poster you're responding to referred to Eric Garner as a "dirtbag" ...that tells us a lot

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Where is he referred to as a dirtbag? Didn't see that. Just want to read it for myself. Which page in the thread?

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Reply #141 posted 08/26/19 9:50am

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Musicslave said:

jjhunsecker said:

Very true. Yet when you point out that race may be a factor, there are people who will call you a "race hustler" or some such nonsense.

And remember, this poster you're responding to referred to Eric Garner as a "dirtbag" ...that tells us a lot

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Where is he referred to as a dirtbag? Didn't see that. Just want to read it for myself. Which page in the thread?

I believe he edited it out

but see Cborgman's pst #70 which contains the original quote and Cborgman's response

[Edited 8/26/19 9:52am]

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Reply #142 posted 08/26/19 10:21am

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jjhunsecker said:

Musicslave said:

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Where is he referred to as a dirtbag? Didn't see that. Just want to read it for myself. Which page in the thread?

I believe he edited it out

but see Cborgman's pst #70 which contains the original quote and Cborgman's response

[Edited 8/26/19 9:52am]

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Thanks. I read it. Not surprised. Just like to read stuff for myself.

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I hate self-righteous attitudes. Referring to the deceased, Eric Garner as a dirtbag because of his rap sheet, "resisting arrest" and selling loose cigarettes reinforces the idea that he deserved to die that day or it's his own fault that he's not alive today. "He brought IT (meaning: Death) onto himself. He should've complied.

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I'm not condoning those who break the law or doesn't comply with officer's commands (eventhough their commands tend to be more hostile and/or extreme for POC) BUT paying for non-compliance with their lives is completely unreasonable and an injustice to say the least.

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Oh yeah, and another thing: To call a dead man a dirtbag because he was selling single cigarettes, speaks to the character or the lack thereof of that person. It's as if the man didn't pay enough of a price already by losing his life. I guess for some people, even death isn't enough of a penalty. disbelief

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Reply #143 posted 08/26/19 10:46am

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Musicslave said:



jjhunsecker said:




Musicslave said:



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Where is he referred to as a dirtbag? Didn't see that. Just want to read it for myself. Which page in the thread?




I believe he edited it out


but see Cborgman's pst #70 which contains the original quote and Cborgman's response


[Edited 8/26/19 9:52am]



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Thanks. I read it. Not surprised. Just like to read stuff for myself.


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I hate self-righteous attitudes. Referring to the deceased, Eric Garner as a dirtbag because of his rap sheet, "resisting arrest" and selling loose cigarettes reinforces the idea that he deserved to die that day or it's his own fault that he's not alive today. "He brought IT (meaning: Death) onto himself. He should've complied.


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I'm not condoning those who break the law or doesn't comply with officer's commands (eventhough their commands tend to be more hostile and/or extreme for POC) BUT paying for non-compliance with their lives is completely unreasonable and an injustice to say the least.


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Oh yeah, and another thing: To call a dead man a dirtbag because he was selling single cigarettes, speaks to the character or the lack thereof of that person. It's as if the man didn't pay enough of a price already by losing his life. I guess for some people, even death isn't enough of a penalty. disbelief

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@ bolded part. Those that feel that way, harbor hatred towards Garner because of who he was. The ugly truth is, to some folks, Garner deserved what happened to him, because they already criminalized him, whether he had a criminal history or not. It’s like the same mentality of many racists in the past, who at first look, labeled enslaved or free Blacks as criminals/savages/suspicious, as many still do today. I believe over the years, this is why so many racist cops, got away with murder of unarmed Black males, because many in America’s jury pool, have that same mentality of innocent Black males. So goes the unfortunate saying of ‘When They See Us’.
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Reply #144 posted 08/26/19 11:06am

Musicslave

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
Race is a bigger factor than some want to admit. At least I'M honest with myself in acknowledging it's significance. Sometimes things are so ingrained that you can't even see it
Did you see Chris Hayes town hall on Thursday. He gave a pretty good presentation to his audience about America’s history of racism, including who it’s first domestic terrorists were. I don’t think sny extreme righties would have been able to handle what he said.

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That was great. I saw it over the weekend.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...z682dNDDeM

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Reply #145 posted 08/26/19 11:10am

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Musicslave said:

jjhunsecker said:

I believe he edited it out

but see Cborgman's pst #70 which contains the original quote and Cborgman's response

[Edited 8/26/19 9:52am]

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Thanks. I read it. Not surprised. Just like to read stuff for myself.

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I hate self-righteous attitudes. Referring to the deceased, Eric Garner as a dirtbag because of his rap sheet, "resisting arrest" and selling loose cigarettes reinforces the idea that he deserved to die that day or it's his own fault that he's not alive today. "He brought IT (meaning: Death) onto himself. He should've complied.

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I'm not condoning those who break the law or doesn't comply with officer's commands (eventhough their commands tend to be more hostile and/or extreme for POC) BUT paying for non-compliance with their lives is completely unreasonable and an injustice to say the least.

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Oh yeah, and another thing: To call a dead man a dirtbag because he was selling single cigarettes, speaks to the character or the lack thereof of that person. It's as if the man didn't pay enough of a price already by losing his life. I guess for some people, even death isn't enough of a penalty. disbelief

[Edited 8/26/19 10:26am]

Well, I think we all pretty much understand where that poster is coming from

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Reply #146 posted 08/26/19 11:10am

Musicslave

2elijah said:

Musicslave said:

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Thanks. I read it. Not surprised. Just like to read stuff for myself.

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I hate self-righteous attitudes. Referring to the deceased, Eric Garner as a dirtbag because of his rap sheet, "resisting arrest" and selling loose cigarettes reinforces the idea that he deserved to die that day or it's his own fault that he's not alive today. "He brought IT (meaning: Death) onto himself. He should've complied.

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I'm not condoning those who break the law or doesn't comply with officer's commands (eventhough their commands tend to be more hostile and/or extreme for POC) BUT paying for non-compliance with their lives is completely unreasonable and an injustice to say the least.

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Oh yeah, and another thing: To call a dead man a dirtbag because he was selling single cigarettes, speaks to the character or the lack thereof of that person. It's as if the man didn't pay enough of a price already by losing his life. I guess for some people, even death isn't enough of a penalty. disbelief

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@ bolded part. Those that feel that way, harbor hatred towards Garner because of who he was. The ugly truth is, to some folks, Garner deserved what happened to him, because they already criminalized him, whether he had a criminal history or not. It’s like the same mentality of many racists in the past, who at first look, labeled enslaved or free Blacks as criminals/savages/suspicious, as many still do today. I believe over the years, this is why so many racist cops, got away with murder of unarmed Black males, because many in America’s jury pool, have that same mentality of innocent Black males. So goes the unfortunate saying of ‘When They See Us’. [Edited 8/26/19 10:48am]

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Right. But if it was Chad, those same people will be talking about due process and all sort of rights Chad had as a citizen of these United States. lol

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"That's The Way Of The World." as EW&F said.

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Reply #147 posted 08/26/19 3:05pm

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Musicslave said:

jjhunsecker said:

I believe he edited it out

but see Cborgman's pst #70 which contains the original quote and Cborgman's response

[Edited 8/26/19 9:52am]

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Thanks. I read it. Not surprised. Just like to read stuff for myself.

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I hate self-righteous attitudes. Referring to the deceased, Eric Garner as a dirtbag because of his rap sheet, "resisting arrest" and selling loose cigarettes reinforces the idea that he deserved to die that day or it's his own fault that he's not alive today. "He brought IT (meaning: Death) onto himself. He should've complied.

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I'm not condoning those who break the law or doesn't comply with officer's commands (eventhough their commands tend to be more hostile and/or extreme for POC) BUT paying for non-compliance with their lives is completely unreasonable and an injustice to say the least.

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Oh yeah, and another thing: To call a dead man a dirtbag because he was selling single cigarettes, speaks to the character or the lack thereof of that person. It's as if the man didn't pay enough of a price already by losing his life. I guess for some people, even death isn't enough of a penalty. disbelief

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first I did think better of it and delete it. That says something. If I did not agree that it was out of line I would not have. Also it was not an identity-based slur and I doubt it is a violation. (I am sure my fan club reported it).


I am not self righteous... that seems to be JJ who insisted he had never made a bigoted post and was proven wrong and then made some excuse and then claimed that I did it too...but showed no evidence. When someone like JJ calls me a racist (either outright or by implying it) I am going to call him out for his history of it. And have no history of that here.

no analysis of his case would be compete without including his acts and contributing factors. So I did and I would in any case. I covered it all and did so without any regard for race or position. No he did not deserve to die.

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Reply #148 posted 08/26/19 5:29pm

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Musicslave said:

2elijah said:

Musicslave said: @ bolded part. Those that feel that way, harbor hatred towards Garner because of who he was. The ugly truth is, to some folks, Garner deserved what happened to him, because they already criminalized him, whether he had a criminal history or not. It’s like the same mentality of many racists in the past, who at first look, labeled enslaved or free Blacks as criminals/savages/suspicious, as many still do today. I believe over the years, this is why so many racist cops, got away with murder of unarmed Black males, because many in America’s jury pool, have that same mentality of innocent Black males. So goes the unfortunate saying of ‘When They See Us’. [Edited 8/26/19 10:48am]

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Right. But if it was Chad, those same people will be talking about due process and all sort of rights Chad had as a citizen of these United States. lol

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"That's The Way Of The World." as EW&F said.


The weirdest thing happened Musicslave. Right after I finished reading this, a car blew by my house BLASTING That's the Way of the World.

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Reply #149 posted 08/26/19 5:29pm

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SLAM
GLAM....

Let he without sin cast the first stone
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