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Reply #30 posted 08/24/19 4:29pm

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^ Lets be honest here. We have a freak like Turd as our leader. What nation is the scariest is world right now..seriously lol



the world is scary, I doubt people in Nigeria are scared of Trump, they have the direct violence of Boko Haram. Or N Koreans Kim Jong-un, Or Middle Easterns dealing with the Taliban etc The world is a big place and people living in spaces that are oppressive probably are more concerned about their very present issues



Ok, that’s true I wasn’t being literal, but with China and the US right now, the US has been the one acting up irrationally. Turd is scary where it comes to supposed civilized leaders.
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the world is scary, I doubt people in Nigeria are scared of Trump, they have the direct violence of Boko Haram. Or N Koreans Kim Jong-un, Or Middle Easterns dealing with the Taliban etc The world is a big place and people living in spaces that are oppressive probably are more concerned about their very present issues

Ok, that’s true I wasn’t being literal, but with China and the US right now, the US has been the one acting up irrationally. Turd is scary where it comes to supposed civilized leaders.

Yep, I like to be into what is happening outside my world. There is so much beauty in China. I love imagery and how movies like Blade Runner were partially inspired by the Orient. But then must people don't know the stuff that happens on the other side, like what I posted. I was just watching a documentary about the widespread sex trafficking in Prague and their economic situation.

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[That means Australia, Japan and other US partners need to build up and refocus their forces in the region, and consider increased cooperation with the US, to ensure their security, the study claimed.]

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https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=australia

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For 2019, the nation of Australia is ranked 19 (of 137) out of the countries currently considered for the annual GFP review. It holds a PwrIndx rating of 0.3277(0.0000 being perfect).

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Reply #33 posted 08/24/19 5:23pm

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Still, just as with any nation. It’s foolish to get worked up over it. Sure. It’s always great to be prepared SNIP -#1A good general rule: "criticize ideas, not people.". Just as it was when we were worked into a frenzy with “the reds” or “commies”. Turd and the GOP now lick their assholes.
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Still, just as with any nation. It’s foolish to get worked up over it. Sure. It’s always great to be prepared SNIP -#1 A good general rule: "criticize ideas, not people." . Just as it was when we were worked into a frenzy with “the reds” or “commies”. Turd and the GOP now lick their assholes. It’s all just a game. Play nice.

HUH?

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[That means Australian, Japan and other US partners need to build up and refocus their forces in the region, and consider increased cooperation with the US, to ensure their security, the study claimed.]

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https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=japan

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For 2019, the nation of Japan is ranked 6 (of 137) out of the countries currently considered for the annual GFP review. It holds a PwrIndx rating of 0.1707 (0.0000 being perfect).

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Reply #36 posted 08/24/19 6:05pm

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[That means Australia, Japan and other US partners need to build up and refocus their forces in the region, and consider increased cooperation with the US, to ensure their security, the study claimed.]

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https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=australia

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For 2019, the nation of Australia is ranked 19 (of 137) out of the countries currently considered for the annual GFP review. It holds a PwrIndx rating of 0.3277(0.0000 being perfect).

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Australia and Japan are already increasing their military rating by the measure you linked.

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19th - that is very high already for a country with our population, cohesiveness, no land borders and in a relatively safe and quiet region of the world. As this is not an internationally accepted comparision method as used by professionals on a daily basis and the formula and most of the data has not been disclosed, I suspect the rankings are not that reliable. As total available manpower is the only factor specifically mentioned as "key", our population will keep us relatively low - as it should.

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Effective defence policies are not about seeking to engage in wars, but seeking to prevent them whilst being prepared if the prevention fails.

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Reply #37 posted 08/24/19 6:19pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:




[That means Australia, Japan and other US partners need to build up and refocus their forces in the region, and consider increased cooperation with the US, to ensure their security, the study claimed.]



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https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=australia


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For 2019, the nation of Australia is ranked 19 (of 137) out of the countries currently considered for the annual GFP review. It holds a PwrIndx rating of 0.3277(0.0000 being perfect).



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Australia and Japan are already increasing their military rating by the measure you linked.


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19th - that is very high already for a country with our population, cohesiveness, no land borders and in a relatively safe and quiet region of the world. As this is not an internationally accepted comparision method as used by professionals on a daily basis and the formula and most of the data has not been disclosed, I suspect the rankings are not that reliable. As total available manpower is the only factor specifically mentioned as "key", our population will keep us relatively low - as it should.


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Effective defence policies are not about seeking to engage in wars, but seeking to prevent them whilst being prepared if the prevention fails.



It all seems like a replay of making the soviets a boogie man in the Cold War. It was foolish then, it’s foolish now.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

IanRG said:

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Australia and Japan are already increasing their military rating by the measure you linked.

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19th - that is very high already for a country with our population, cohesiveness, no land borders and in a relatively safe and quiet region of the world. As this is not an internationally accepted comparision method as used by professionals on a daily basis and the formula and most of the data has not been disclosed, I suspect the rankings are not that reliable. As total available manpower is the only factor specifically mentioned as "key", our population will keep us relatively low - as it should.

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Effective defence policies are not about seeking to engage in wars, but seeking to prevent them whilst being prepared if the prevention fails.

It all seems like a replay of making the soviets a boogie man in the Cold War. It was foolish then, it’s foolish now.

a very optimistic view of the world

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Reply #39 posted 08/24/19 6:34pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:


IanRG said:


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Australia and Japan are already increasing their military rating by the measure you linked.


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19th - that is very high already for a country with our population, cohesiveness, no land borders and in a relatively safe and quiet region of the world. As this is not an internationally accepted comparision method as used by professionals on a daily basis and the formula and most of the data has not been disclosed, I suspect the rankings are not that reliable. As total available manpower is the only factor specifically mentioned as "key", our population will keep us relatively low - as it should.


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Effective defence policies are not about seeking to engage in wars, but seeking to prevent them whilst being prepared if the prevention fails.



It all seems like a replay of making the soviets a boogie man in the Cold War. It was foolish then, it’s foolish now.


a very optimistic view of the world



A realistic view.
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Reply #40 posted 08/24/19 6:44pm

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IanRG said:

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Australia and Japan are already increasing their military rating by the measure you linked.

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19th - that is very high already for a country with our population, cohesiveness, no land borders and in a relatively safe and quiet region of the world. As this is not an internationally accepted comparision method as used by professionals on a daily basis and the formula and most of the data has not been disclosed, I suspect the rankings are not that reliable. As total available manpower is the only factor specifically mentioned as "key", our population will keep us relatively low - as it should.

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Effective defence policies are not about seeking to engage in wars, but seeking to prevent them whilst being prepared if the prevention fails.

It all seems like a replay of making the soviets a boogie man in the Cold War. It was foolish then, it’s foolish now.

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There is always the need to seek the real potential threats against jingoistic fear mongering.

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There are places under immediate and real threat from military action by China - Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam and other countries sharing the South China Sea.

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For the rest of us, the Chinese Debt Trap for emerging and small nations is far more of a concern than Chinese military expansion. China learned long before the US that economic and political influence and control of other nations is more effective than military control and occupation.

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We should always work for the best whilst preparing for the worst. De-boogie manning is better than activiting a boogie man or becoming the boogie man for the other side. In the last couple of weeks Australia's inaction and downplaying of climate change impacts on Pacific Islands in a regional meeting did far more to push places like Kiribati into China's hands by China being seen as the lesser of two evils

[Edited 8/24/19 18:48pm]

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Reply #41 posted 08/24/19 6:53pm

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IanRG said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


IanRG said:


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Australia and Japan are already increasing their military rating by the measure you linked.


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19th - that is very high already for a country with our population, cohesiveness, no land borders and in a relatively safe and quiet region of the world. As this is not an internationally accepted comparision method as used by professionals on a daily basis and the formula and most of the data has not been disclosed, I suspect the rankings are not that reliable. As total available manpower is the only factor specifically mentioned as "key", our population will keep us relatively low - as it should.


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Effective defence policies are not about seeking to engage in wars, but seeking to prevent them whilst being prepared if the prevention fails.



It all seems like a replay of making the soviets a boogie man in the Cold War. It was foolish then, it’s foolish now.

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There is always the need to seek the real potential threats against jingoistic fear mongering.


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There are places under immediate and real threat from military action by China - Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam and other countries sharing the South China Sea.


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For the rest of us, the Chinese Debt Trap for emerging and small nations is far more of a concern than Chinese military expansion. China learned long before the US that economic and political influence and control of other nations is more effective than military control and occupation.


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We should always work for the best whilst preparing for the worst. De-boogie manning is better than activiting a boogie man or becoming the boogie man for the other side. In the last couple of weeks Australia's inaction and downplaying of climate change impacts on Pacific Islands in a regional meeting did far more to push places like Kiribati into China's hands by China being seen as the lesser of two evils

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Let’s be real. If nuclear deterrence and mutually assured destruction isn’t enough, what else can any one do?

I understand when dealing with a non-nation underground players like terroristss.
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Reply #42 posted 08/24/19 6:59pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

a very optimistic view of the world

A realistic view.

optimistic view

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Reply #43 posted 08/24/19 7:05pm

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IanRG said:

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There is always the need to seek the real potential threats against jingoistic fear mongering.

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There are places under immediate and real threat from military action by China - Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam and other countries sharing the South China Sea.

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For the rest of us, the Chinese Debt Trap for emerging and small nations is far more of a concern than Chinese military expansion. China learned long before the US that economic and political influence and control of other nations is more effective than military control and occupation.

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We should always work for the best whilst preparing for the worst. De-boogie manning is better than activiting a boogie man or becoming the boogie man for the other side. In the last couple of weeks Australia's inaction and downplaying of climate change impacts on Pacific Islands in a regional meeting did far more to push places like Kiribati into China's hands by China being seen as the lesser of two evils

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Let’s be real. If nuclear deterrence and mutually assured destruction isn’t enough, what else can any one do? I understand when dealing with a non-nation underground players like terroristss.

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Agreed

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Nuclear deterrence is not likely to be considered a viable option by Japan or Australia.

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Outside of this, cooperation and diplomacy backed by collective defence is the only viable way for us all.

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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/08/23/photos-reveal-progress-on-chinas-largest-amphibious-assault-ship/

Photos reveal progress on China’s largest amphibious assault ship

MELBOURNE, Australia — Recent photos reveal the construction of China’s largest amphibious assault ship is progressing at a shipyard in the metropolis of Shanghai, as the country strives to plug gaps in its military’s amphibious capabilities.

One photo, taken from a boat sailing on the Huangpu River, which runs through Shanghai, eastern China, shows the main bridge structure has recently been joined to the hull of the first Type 075 amphibious assault ship.

Other photos taken from surrounding buildings and within China State Shipbuilding Corporation’s Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard have also been posted online, with one taken from the rear showing the configuration of the stern elevator and part of the well dock.

The Type 075 is roughly analogous to the U.S. Navy’s Wasp-class landing helicopter dock. The Chinese ship will feature a large flight deck capable of handling five to six large transport helicopters taking off and preparing for flight simultaneously. It will also have parking and hangar space for more helos.

Its well dock is expected to be able to accommodate multiple conventionally powered and/or air-cushioned Type 726 landing craft.

Given the pace of construction, the ship is expected to launch this year. The shipyard at Hudong-Zhonghua is also responsible for building the 25,000-ton Type 071, or Yuzhao landing platform dock, which is the currently the most capable amphibious ship in service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy. Six of these ships are active, and two more are undergoing final work at the shipyard.

It’s unknown how many Type 075s China plans to eventually operate, although some reports suggested at least three such ships will be built.

Once in service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy, or PLAN, the Type 075 — which is expected to displace between 35,000 and 40,000 tons — will represent a significant boost to the service’s amphibious capabilities. The PLAN is mostly outfitted with smaller, less capable landing ships alongside the Type 071s.

The U.S. Defense Department’s 2019 China Military Power Report suggests the PLAN has a near-term focus on building up an amphibious force geared toward smaller-scale expeditionary missions as opposed to the capability necessary for a large-scale, direct beach assault, i.e., a full-scale Taiwan invasion. The report suggests this effort would require a significant expansion of China’s landing ship force.

China has also reorganized the PLAN Marine Corps, with plans for the force to grow from two brigades with 10,000 troops to seven with more than 30,000 personnel, according to the report.. The force’s mission is also to expand to “include expeditionary operations beyond China’s borders” by 2020 as part of planned reforms to China’s military, the report says.

However, many of the six marine brigades now in existence are not fully prepared for operations. The new brigades were formerly coastal defense or infantry units, and have been re-designated as Marine Corps units, although the process of reequipping and retraining them is ongoing. The Pentagon report concludes that “China lacks a sufficient inventory of wheeled armored vehicles” to adequately support “multiple expeditionary deployments.”

Chinese naval officers march pass Tiananmen Square during the National Day parade in Beijing on Oct. 1, 2009. (Frederic J. Brown/AFP)

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Reply #45 posted 08/24/19 7:39pm

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China: US ‘in pursuit of absolute military superiority’

By: Mike Yeo July 26.

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MELBOURNE, Australia — China’s latest defense white paper has warned of intensifying global competition as major powers readjust their security and military strategies to gain strategic advantage.

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At the same time, the document also comes out against what China sees as attempts to split the country, pointedly referring to independence movements in Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang and calling them “threats to China’s national security and social stability.”

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Unsurprisingly, the white paper addressed the actions of the United States several times, noting that “the U.S. is engaging in technological and institutional innovation in pursuit of absolute military superiority.”

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It added that “the U.S. has adjusted its national security and defense strategies, and adopted unilateral policies. It has provoked and intensified competition among major countries, significantly increased its defense expenditure, pushed for additional capacity in nuclear, outer space, cyber and missile defense, and undermined global strategic stability.”

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It also saw the strengthening of regional military alliances and reinforcing its forces in the region as “adding complexity to regional security,” once again singling out the introduction of advanced U.S. missile defense systems to South Korea for criticism, saying that the “deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in the Republic of Korea (ROK) by the U.S. has severely undermined the regional strategic balance and the strategic security interests of regional countries.”
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The white paper also addressed regional American allies, noting that “Japan has adjusted its military and security policies and increased input accordingly, thus becoming more outward-looking in its military endeavors,” while “Australia continues to strengthen its military alliance with the U.S. and its military engagement in the Asia-Pacific, seeking a bigger role in security affairs.” Edited for compliance
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Swap the names and both sides are saying very similar things about each other. This is from the same journo and website.

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Jingoism inspires jingoism until it becomes impossible to determine who started it and what the threat was. Instead the jingoism takes on a life of its own and this does not often end well.

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IanRG said:

China: US ‘in pursuit of absolute military superiority’

By: Mike Yeo July 26.

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MELBOURNE, Australia — China’s latest defense white paper has warned of intensifying global competition as major powers readjust their security and military strategies to gain strategic advantage.

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At the same time, the document also comes out against what China sees as attempts to split the country, pointedly referring to independence movements in Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang and calling them “threats to China’s national security and social stability.”

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Unsurprisingly, the white paper addressed the actions of the United States several times, noting that “the U.S. is engaging in technological and institutional innovation in pursuit of absolute military superiority.”

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It added that “the U.S. has adjusted its national security and defense strategies, and adopted unilateral policies. It has provoked and intensified competition among major countries, significantly increased its defense expenditure, pushed for additional capacity in nuclear, outer space, cyber and missile defense, and undermined global strategic stability.”

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It also saw the strengthening of regional military alliances and reinforcing its forces in the region as “adding complexity to regional security,” once again singling out the introduction of advanced U.S. missile defense systems to South Korea for criticism, saying that the “deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in the Republic of Korea (ROK) by the U.S. has severely undermined the regional strategic balance and the strategic security interests of regional countries.”
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The white paper also addressed regional American allies, noting that “Japan has adjusted its military and security policies and increased input accordingly, thus becoming more outward-looking in its military endeavors,” while “Australia continues to strengthen its military alliance with the U.S. and its military engagement in the Asia-Pacific, seeking a bigger role in security affairs.” Edited for compliance
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Swap the names and both sides are saying very similar things about each other. This is from the same journo and website.

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Jingoism inspires jingoism until it becomes impossible to determine who started it and what the threat was. Instead the jingoism takes on a life of its own and this does not often end well.

Yep.
And if you live long enough, you've seen and heard all the bullshit before.

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South Korea begins military drills around disputed island amid feud with Japan

SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea's military will conduct two days of drills around a tiny island also claimed by Japan, Yonhap news agency reported on Sunday, just days after Seoul decided to scrap an intelligence-sharing pact with Tokyo amid worsening relations.

Tokyo and Seoul have long been at loggerheads over the sovereignty of the group of islets called Takeshima in Japanese and Dokdo in Korean, which lie about halfway between the East Asian neighbors in the Sea of Japan, which Seoul refers to as the East Sea.

The military drills were scheduled to begin on Sunday, Yonhap reported, and could exacerbate tensions between the two neighbors.

South Koreas on Thursday had announced the scrapping of the intelligence-sharing pact with Japan, drawing a swift protest from Tokyo and deepening a decades-old dispute over history that has hit trade and undercut security cooperation over North Korea.

Relations between South Korea and Japan began to deteriorate late last year following a diplomatic row over compensation for wartime forced laborers during Japan’s occupation of Korea.

They soured further when Japan tightened its curbs on exports of high-tech materials needed by South Korea’s chip industry, and again this month when Tokyo said it would remove South Korea’s fast-track export status.

The disputed islands have long been one of the most sensitive areas of contention for South Korea and Japan. Recently, South Korea and Japan traded words over the way the islands were described on a website for the 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics.

The islands were at the center of a more serious clash in July, when both South Korea and Japan responded to what they saw as a violation of their air space near the islands by a Russian military plane

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/south-korea-begins-military-drills-around-disputed-island-amid-feud-with-japan/ar-AAGhvZK?ocid=spartanntp

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NKorea's Kim oversaw test of 'multiple rocket launcher': KCNA

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un again supervised the test-firing of a "newly developed" weapon, state media reported Sunday -- further muddying the waters for any resumption of denuclearisation talks.

South Korea's military had said the North launched what appeared to be two short-range ballistic missiles on Saturday, but the North's state media said a "super-large multiple rocket launcher" had been tested.

It was the latest in a series of launches the nuclear-armed North has conducted in recent weeks in protest at US-South Korean joint military exercises, which wrapped up nearly a week ago.

Kim said the "newly developed" system was a "great weapon," and expressed "high appreciation" for the scientists who had designed and built it, the country's official Korean Central News Agency said.

"The test-fire proved that all the tactical and technological specifications of the system correctly reached the preset indexes," the report said.

Kim also said the country needed to keep stepping up weapons development "for resolutely frustrating the ever-mounting military threats and pressure offensive of the hostile forces," KCNA noted.

Kim has reportedly observed at least two other tests of "new" weapons this month alone, though the nature and technical specifications of those weapons remain a mystery.

Saturday's test prompted South Korea's presidential Blue House to convene a National Security Council meeting.

"NSC members agreed to continue diplomatic efforts with the international community to bring the North back to the negotiation table with the US to achieve the goal of complete denuclearisation in the Korean peninsula," the government said in a statement.

But launching those talks anytime soon looks to be a fading possibility.

Negotiations between Pyongyang and Washington have been gridlocked since a second summit between Kim and US President Donald Trump in Hanoi in February collapsed without an agreement over the extent of denuclearisation in the North and sanctions relief.

Trump and Kim agreed to kick start working-level talks during an impromptu meeting at the Demilitarised Zone dividing North and South Korea on June 30, but negotiations did not materialise.

Last week, Stephen Biegun, the US special envoy for North Korea, said during a visit to Seoul that Washington was "prepared to engage" as soon as it hears from Pyongyang.

But then on Friday, North Korea lashed out at US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, calling him a "diehard toxin" and saying it was "sceptical" whether it can negotiate with him.

Pyongyang also vowed to remain the United States's "biggest 'threat'" and said the annual US-South Korea joint military drills had "complicated" prospects for nuclear talks.

Washington stations nearly 30,000 troops in the South.

"We are ready for both dialogue and stand-off," North Korea's foreign minister Ri Yong Ho said in a statement.

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Reply #49 posted 08/25/19 10:21am

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I remember back when W was President we debated China here in P&R and pretty much predicted it would be the superpower it is today.
They are a peaceful nation and our biggest trading partner. Let’s not let an insane president gaslight things.
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I remember back when W was President we debated China here in P&R and pretty much predicted it would be the superpower it is today. They are a peaceful nation and our biggest trading partner. Let’s not let an insane president gaslight things.

with a tremendously evil history and policy of human rights atrocities.

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Idiotic. China would never do that. They need a strong economy.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

Idiotic. China would never do that. They need a strong economy.

why are you calling OldFriends4Sale names?

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Reply #53 posted 08/25/19 10:32am

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Quit sowing division.

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Reply #54 posted 08/25/19 10:33am

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Talking about the report. An Australian report? But is it a good report?

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Reply #55 posted 08/25/19 10:35am

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Quit sowing division.

by asking a question as to who you were talking about?

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Reply #56 posted 08/25/19 11:32am

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Ugot, a very Chomskyesque statement. wink.

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Reply #57 posted 08/27/19 3:35pm

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China says U.S. 'maliciously hyping up' S.China Sea issue

BEIJING, Aug 27 (Reuters) - China accused the United States on Tuesday of "maliciously hyping up" the South China Sea situation and making warrantless criticism, after the Pentagon said China was carrying out "coercive interference" in waters claimed by Vietnam.

A Chinese survey vessel on Saturday extended its activities to an area closer to Vietnam's coast, ship tracking data showed, after the United States and Australia expressed concern about China's action in the disputed waterway.

The Pentagon said China had "resumed its coercive interference in Vietnam's longstanding oil and gas activities in the South China Sea."

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang, referring to the China-Vietnam issue, said the United States had again and again "made thoughtless remarks, made warrantless criticisms against China, completely distorting the facts and confusing right from wrong."

"China urges the United States to stop this kind of malicious hyping up behavior, and play a positive and constructive role in regional and international matters," he said.

The Haiyang Dizhi 8 vessel first entered Vietnam's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) early last month where it began a weeks-long seismic survey, triggering a standoff between military and coastguard vessels from Vietnam and China.

Vietnam, which has developed increasingly close ties with the United States, given shared concerns about China, has demanded that Beijing removes the vessel.

Vietnam and China have for years been embroiled in a dispute over the potentially energy-rich waters, which are also a busy shipping lane.

The Pentagon statement came as U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday predicted a trade deal with China after positive gestures by it, calming global markets that have been roiled by escalating tension between the world's two largest economies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-says-us-maliciously-hyping-up-schina-sea-issue/ar-AAGofZw?ocid=spartanntp

FILE - In this Aug. 7, 2019, file photo, rain clouds loom over the U.S. aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan as it is anchored off Manila Bay, Philippines for a port call. USS Ronald Reagan sailed through the disputed South China Sea in the latest show of America's military might amid new territorial flare-ups involving China and three rival claimant states. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez, File)

n this Aug. 7, 2019, file photo, rain clouds loom over the U.S. aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan as it is anchored off Manila Bay, Philippines for a port call. USS Ronald Reagan sailed through the disputed South China Sea in the latest show of America's military might amid new territorial flare-ups involving China and three rival claimant states. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez, File)

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Reply #58 posted 08/27/19 5:44pm

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China says U.S. 'maliciously hyping up' S.China Sea issue

BEIJING, Aug 27 (Reuters) - China accused the United States on Tuesday of "maliciously hyping up" the South China Sea situation and making warrantless criticism, after the Pentagon said China was carrying out "coercive interference" in waters claimed by Vietnam.

A Chinese survey vessel on Saturday extended its activities to an area closer to Vietnam's coast, ship tracking data showed, after the United States and Australia expressed concern about China's action in the disputed waterway.

The Pentagon said China had "resumed its coercive interference in Vietnam's longstanding oil and gas activities in the South China Sea."

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang, referring to the China-Vietnam issue, said the United States had again and again "made thoughtless remarks, made warrantless criticisms against China, completely distorting the facts and confusing right from wrong."

"China urges the United States to stop this kind of malicious hyping up behavior, and play a positive and constructive role in regional and international matters," he said.

The Haiyang Dizhi 8 vessel first entered Vietnam's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) early last month where it began a weeks-long seismic survey, triggering a standoff between military and coastguard vessels from Vietnam and China.

Vietnam, which has developed increasingly close ties with the United States, given shared concerns about China, has demanded that Beijing removes the vessel.

Vietnam and China have for years been embroiled in a dispute over the potentially energy-rich waters, which are also a busy shipping lane.

The Pentagon statement came as U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday predicted a trade deal with China after positive gestures by it, calming global markets that have been roiled by escalating tension between the world's two largest economies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-says-us-maliciously-hyping-up-schina-sea-issue/ar-AAGofZw?ocid=spartanntp

FILE - In this Aug. 7, 2019, file photo, rain clouds loom over the U.S. aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan as it is anchored off Manila Bay, Philippines for a port call. USS Ronald Reagan sailed through the disputed South China Sea in the latest show of America's military might amid new territorial flare-ups involving China and three rival claimant states. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez, File)

n this Aug. 7, 2019, file photo, rain clouds loom over the U.S. aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan as it is anchored off Manila Bay, Philippines for a port call. USS Ronald Reagan sailed through the disputed South China Sea in the latest show of America's military might amid new territorial flare-ups involving China and three rival claimant states. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez, File)

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China is correct about this.

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Neither China nor the US can look positively at how they have treated Vietnam with respect for its sovereignty and rights. A survey ship hardly compares to the Vietnam war nor 1979 Chinese invasion of Vietnam to punish them for "provocative" actions.

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This is more about gunboat diplomacy, bravodo and jingoism caused by the changing relative strengths with slipping USA and a rising China.

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Iran Says Russia and China Are Offering Fighter Jets in Show of Support Against US

Tom O'Connor
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The head of Iran's aerospace sector has announced new offers to purchase fighter jets from Russia and China, two countries supporting the Islamic republic as the United States tried to sever its international ties.

a red white and blue flag: Two Russian Sukhoi Su-57 fifth-generation fighters perform as they fly with the flags of Italy, Iran, India, Israel, the EU, Greece and Germany seen in the foreground during the MAKS-2019 International Aviation and Space Salon opening ceremony in Zhukovsky outside Moscow, August 27.© ALEXANDER NEMENOV/AFP/Getty Images Two Russian Sukhoi Su-57 fifth-generation fighters perform as they fly with the flags of Italy, Iran, India, Israel, the EU, Greece and Germany seen in the foreground during the MAKS-2019 International Aviation and Space Salon opening ceremony in Zhukovsky outside Moscow, August 27.

Iran Aviation Industries Organization Director Brigadier General Abdolkarim Banitarafi was one of a number of international defense officials to attend Russia's 2019 International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS). More than 180 foreign companies from nearly 30 nations have reportedly gathered in Zhukovskiy since the event began on August 27. As a United Nations arms embargo on Tehran nears its final year, Banitarafi said Thursday that he was already receiving potential foreign bids to buy and sell weapons.

The general spoke directly of nations looking into Iran's own drones and its Kowsar-88 training jet, saying "different countries are offering us and discussing it, but it all depends on the date that the arms sanctions end," according to the semi-official Tasnim News Agency. He also said Iran may look to purchase new equipment abroad from two major powers.

"The Russians and the Chinese have given us proposals, of course, we have our own proposals, but all of this is in the discussions stage," Banitarafi added.

The U.N. Security Council began imposing arms embargoes on Iran in 2006, beginning with restrictions on the transfer of technology that could be used to produce nuclear weapons—including many conventional weapons systems. The council expanded restrictions on Iran's arms exports the following year and began blocking arms shipments to Iran in 2010. A few of these bans were lifted with the signing of a 2015 deal, dubbed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, in which Iran agreed not to pursue a nuclear weapons program, but many are still in place. The U.S.' withdrawal from the agreement last year has further complicated dealings for Iran's prospective business partners.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-says-russia-and-china-are-offering-fighter-jets-in-show-of-support-against-us/ar-AAGvZcF?ocid=spartanntp

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