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Learn about Islam, haters.

One of the best people we have here is an Imam. [Snip - luv4u]

https://www.youtube.com/w...26pU2dnIhM

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Reply #1 posted 08/24/19 9:34am

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2freaky4church1 said:

One of the best people we have here is an Imam. [Snip - luv4u]

https://www.youtube.com/w...26pU2dnIhM


Haters that are glad someone is dead because they don't agree with their politics? Better be careful who you call a hater when you look the part yourself.

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Someone who was evil died you mean.

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Reply #3 posted 08/24/19 9:52am

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Someone who was evil died you mean.

I mean try not to be too simpleminded

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Reply #4 posted 08/24/19 9:53am

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But Bill Maher even said it. Sam Seder said it.

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Reply #5 posted 08/24/19 9:58am

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2freaky4church1 said:

But Bill Maher even said it. Sam Seder said it.

Like I said, try not to be so simpleminded lol

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Reply #6 posted 08/24/19 10:12am

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I already reported your OP, but no surprise it's another bit of weaponized autism from 2freaky.:eyeroll:

But as long as we're here, why don't you answer the question Poppy's was too chickenshit to answer:

Do you think Islam is a religion that, in 2019, is friendly/safe to gays and women?
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Reply #7 posted 08/24/19 10:30am

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OP?

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Reply #8 posted 08/24/19 10:37am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Learn about Islam haters.

One of the best people we have here is an Imam.

https://www.youtube.com/w...26pU2dnIhM


An engaging conversation between a Christian Pastor and a Muslim Imam, "Out of Context" is a 14 part Interview series answers pressing questions about Islam and gives valuable insight into the spirit of the faith.

In Part 1 of this fourteen-part interview with Dallas-based Pastor Mike Baughman, Imam Omar Suleiman shatters myths about Islam in America and about Muslims in general. He notes how Muslims have been here since the very beginning, as up to 40 percent of slaves were from Muslim countries. The first country to recognize the United States was also a Muslim country, Morocco.


Another good video. Thanks for posting.


[Edited 8/25/19 6:27am]

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2freaky4church1 said:

OP?



OP=Original Post

You gonna answer the question or are you going to bitch out too?
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Reply #10 posted 08/24/19 2:21pm

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OP?

Just answer the truth - yes. It's as safe to women and gays as evangelical "christianity".

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #11 posted 08/24/19 7:20pm

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Understanding and communication is often the death of hatred.

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Reply #12 posted 08/25/19 4:22am

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What’s going on lately in these threads? For a while, folks was getting along sharing views, even if they didn’t agree. Now of late before the thread gets to 5 posts, it’s nothing but attacks/insults and others bringing up comments from other threads into new threads. Makes no sense.

Anyway, on another note I don’t know who that person is/was 2 freak posted about, but when you look at religion altogether, you will always find some kind of bias in most of them, depending on an individual beliefs. Most religions have restrictions and dark secrets.

Christianity, for example, has been used to justify crimes, as well as Islam, but it depends on the individual believer, no matter which religion he/she practices and how they use it. You really can’t say one is religion is better than the other, when they all have a good and bad side.


Unfortunately, since 9/11 in this country, there is major bias against Islam. Yet it seems some have amnesia when it comes to the bias and crimes in the name of Christianity. Let’s not pretend that Christianity doesn’t hold bias against the LGBT community and women as well. Both the LGBT community and women are still fighting against discrimination in America, so let’s not pretend that all Christians are open-mind with no biases. Especially in the conservative community.
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Reply #13 posted 08/25/19 7:07am

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Agree with your post 2elijah.

The religion of Islam is being singled out. None of the big 3 have much to be proud of when it comes to practicing what they preach.

[Edited 8/25/19 7:34am]

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Reply #14 posted 08/25/19 8:58am

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2elijah said:

What’s going on lately in these threads? For a while, folks was getting along sharing views, even if they didn’t agree. Now of late before the thread gets to 5 posts, it’s nothing but attacks/insults and others bringing up comments from other threads into new threads. Makes no sense.

Anyway, on another note I don’t know who that person is/was 2 freak posted about, but when you look at religion altogether, you will always find some kind of bias in most of them, depending on an individual beliefs. Most religions have restrictions and dark secrets.

Christianity, for example, has been used to justify crimes, as well as Islam, but it depends on the individual believer, no matter which religion he/she practices and how they use it. You really can’t say one is religion is better than the other, when they all have a good and bad side.


Unfortunately, since 9/11 in this country, there is major bias against Islam. Yet it seems some have amnesia when it comes to the bias and crimes in the name of Christianity. Let’s not pretend that Christianity doesn’t hold bias against the LGBT community and women as well. Both the LGBT community and women are still fighting against discrimination in America, so let’s not pretend that all Christians are open-mind with no biases. Especially in the conservative community.
[Edited 8/25/19 4:32am]


I think I can speak for DJ as well as myself when I say that that's not true at least from what I've seen. You disagree with people here and unless you're part of the cool kids club, you get piled on by a bunch of people insulting you. It's childish.

As for religion, no one's trying to make the case that christianity, Judaism, etc haven't had dark eras and done terrible things, it's just that Islam is about as old as they are and it's still doing the same things those religions were to gays, women, apostates, etc in the middle ages, but IN THE 2010s.

[Edited 8/25/19 9:10am]
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Reply #15 posted 08/25/19 10:18am

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Yea we love gays here? lol

Blame Wahabbism not Islam. Did you watch the videos?

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Reply #16 posted 08/25/19 10:19am

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Guitarslinger agrees with Sam Harris: History doesn't matter. lol

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Reply #17 posted 08/25/19 10:43am

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guitarslinger44 said:

2elijah said:

What’s going on lately in these threads? For a while, folks was getting along sharing views, even if they didn’t agree. Now of late before the thread gets to 5 posts, it’s nothing but attacks/insults and others bringing up comments from other threads into new threads. Makes no sense.

Anyway, on another note I don’t know who that person is/was 2 freak posted about, but when you look at religion altogether, you will always find some kind of bias in most of them, depending on an individual beliefs. Most religions have restrictions and dark secrets.

Christianity, for example, has been used to justify crimes, as well as Islam, but it depends on the individual believer, no matter which religion he/she practices and how they use it. You really can’t say one is religion is better than the other, when they all have a good and bad side.


Unfortunately, since 9/11 in this country, there is major bias against Islam. Yet it seems some have amnesia when it comes to the bias and crimes in the name of Christianity. Let’s not pretend that Christianity doesn’t hold bias against the LGBT community and women as well. Both the LGBT community and women are still fighting against discrimination in America, so let’s not pretend that all Christians are open-mind with no biases. Especially in the conservative community.
[Edited 8/25/19 4:32am]


I think I can speak for DJ as well as myself when I say that that's not true at least from what I've seen. You disagree with people here and unless you're part of the cool kids club, you get piled on by a bunch of people insulting you. It's childish.

As for religion, no one's trying to make the case that christianity, Judaism, etc haven't had dark eras and done terrible things, it's just that Islam is about as old as they are and it's still doing the same things those religions were to gays, women, apostates, etc in the middle ages, but IN THE 2010s.

[Edited 8/25/19 9:10am]


Many in the past and present use(d) Christianity, to promote it as though it is above all others, while belittling others. It does not reign supreme over all others, especially when it has a long history of terrorizing/manipulating others into its belief system.

My point is, there are bad apples within all religions, and one religion shouldn’t be labeled as though all who practice it, are be criminals believed to have intentions to harm. It’s unfair to do that. But like I said, many Americans have been manipulated into having bias towards Islam because of the 9/11 tragedy. At the same time, many of those Americans turn a blind eye, to domestic terrorists born in this own country, causing more domestic terrorism than outside religious groups have done here.

Anyway, I’m not going to go round-and-round on this. We just have a different point of view on the topic.
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Reply #18 posted 08/25/19 10:58am

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Christianity actually advocates killing innocents, Islam only uses violence as self defense against attack.

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Reply #19 posted 08/25/19 11:17am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Christianity actually advocates killing innocents, Islam only uses violence as self defense against attack.

Then explain 9-11

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Reply #20 posted 08/25/19 11:40am

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2elijah said:

What’s going on lately in these threads? For a while, folks was getting along sharing views, even if they didn’t agree. Now of late before the thread gets to 5 posts, it’s nothing but attacks/insults and others bringing up comments from other threads into new threads. Makes no sense.

Anyway, on another note I don’t know who that person is/was 2 freak posted about, but when you look at religion altogether, you will always find some kind of bias in most of them, depending on an individual beliefs. Most religions have restrictions and dark secrets.

Christianity, for example, has been used to justify crimes, as well as Islam, but it depends on the individual believer, no matter which religion he/she practices and how they use it. You really can’t say one is religion is better than the other, when they all have a good and bad side.


Unfortunately, since 9/11 in this country, there is major bias against Islam. Yet it seems some have amnesia when it comes to the bias and crimes in the name of Christianity. Let’s not pretend that Christianity doesn’t hold bias against the LGBT community and women as well. Both the LGBT community and women are still fighting against discrimination in America, so let’s not pretend that all Christians are open-mind with no biases. Especially in the conservative community.
[Edited 8/25/19 4:32am]


I agree. ALL religions have bullshit aspects to them, and ALL religions have had evil done in their names and by members of their clergy
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guitarslinger44 said:

2elijah said:
What’s going on lately in these threads? For a while, folks was getting along sharing views, even if they didn’t agree. Now of late before the thread gets to 5 posts, it’s nothing but attacks/insults and others bringing up comments from other threads into new threads. Makes no sense. Anyway, on another note I don’t know who that person is/was 2 freak posted about, but when you look at religion altogether, you will always find some kind of bias in most of them, depending on an individual beliefs. Most religions have restrictions and dark secrets. Christianity, for example, has been used to justify crimes, as well as Islam, but it depends on the individual believer, no matter which religion he/she practices and how they use it. You really can’t say one is religion is better than the other, when they all have a good and bad side. Unfortunately, since 9/11 in this country, there is major bias against Islam. Yet it seems some have amnesia when it comes to the bias and crimes in the name of Christianity. Let’s not pretend that Christianity doesn’t hold bias against the LGBT community and women as well. Both the LGBT community and women are still fighting against discrimination in America, so let’s not pretend that all Christians are open-mind with no biases. Especially in the conservative community. [Edited 8/25/19 4:32am]
I think I can speak for DJ as well as myself when I say that that's not true at least from what I've seen. You disagree with people here and unless you're part of the cool kids club, you get piled on by a bunch of people insulting you. It's childish. As for religion, no one's trying to make the case that christianity, Judaism, etc haven't had dark eras and done terrible things, it's just that Islam is about as old as they are and it's still doing the same things those religions were to gays, women, apostates, etc in the middle ages, but IN THE 2010s. [Edited 8/25/19 9:10am]

Islam is a religion that, much like other big religions, comes in many different varieties and how strict it is depends a lot on the region, the ethnicity of the Muslims, the history of the country, and on whether the country is a secular country that happens to have a majority of Muslims or whether it is a sharia based society.

You really can´t compare, say, Turkish, Bosnian, Albanian and Azeri Muslims to Saudis, Iraqis, Afghans and Pakistanis. And even within on ethnic group there are dozens , if not hundreds of different variations of Muslim.

In the city of Izmir in Turkey most people would identify as Muslim but you also have a lot of LGBQT people there who can very openly live their lifestyle but a few hundred miles farther east it is a whole different situation even though it´s the same country.

Countries such as Saudia Arabia or Iran kill gay people, many other predominantly Muslim countries don´t.

Judaism is much older than Christianity and Islam is ca. 600 years younger than Christianity. You are absolutely right that some Muslim countries today are way behind but some of those countries were secular and not very religious at all a few decades ago.

For reasons too numerous to mention your country has been destabilizing those countries and it has also supported more religious political circles instead of supporting secular or even liberal and progressive parties.

I have spoken with devout Muslims who told me that they wished that Turkey was more like the USA, Utah and Texas in particular, because they believed that those states are closer to sharia law than most big cities in Turkey because you can´t drink in public in TX and UT and because you need to go to a liquor store to buy alcohol whereas in Turkey you can drink alcohol in public, buy alcohol at the supermarket and dress the way you want to dress.

Of course not all states are the same but still, the US is in many ways comparatively strict, too, depending on the region you live in .

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2freaky4church1 said:

Guitarslinger agrees with Sam Harris: History doesn't matter. lol



Is Islam a friendly religion to gays & women in 2019?
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KoolEaze said:



guitarslinger44 said:


2elijah said:
What’s going on lately in these threads? For a while, folks was getting along sharing views, even if they didn’t agree. Now of late before the thread gets to 5 posts, it’s nothing but attacks/insults and others bringing up comments from other threads into new threads. Makes no sense. Anyway, on another note I don’t know who that person is/was 2 freak posted about, but when you look at religion altogether, you will always find some kind of bias in most of them, depending on an individual beliefs. Most religions have restrictions and dark secrets. Christianity, for example, has been used to justify crimes, as well as Islam, but it depends on the individual believer, no matter which religion he/she practices and how they use it. You really can’t say one is religion is better than the other, when they all have a good and bad side. Unfortunately, since 9/11 in this country, there is major bias against Islam. Yet it seems some have amnesia when it comes to the bias and crimes in the name of Christianity. Let’s not pretend that Christianity doesn’t hold bias against the LGBT community and women as well. Both the LGBT community and women are still fighting against discrimination in America, so let’s not pretend that all Christians are open-mind with no biases. Especially in the conservative community. [Edited 8/25/19 4:32am]

I think I can speak for DJ as well as myself when I say that that's not true at least from what I've seen. You disagree with people here and unless you're part of the cool kids club, you get piled on by a bunch of people insulting you. It's childish. As for religion, no one's trying to make the case that christianity, Judaism, etc haven't had dark eras and done terrible things, it's just that Islam is about as old as they are and it's still doing the same things those religions were to gays, women, apostates, etc in the middle ages, but IN THE 2010s. [Edited 8/25/19 9:10am]

Islam is a religion that, much like other big religions, comes in many different varieties and how strict it is depends a lot on the region, the ethnicity of the Muslims, the history of the country, and on whether the country is a secular country that happens to have a majority of Muslims or whether it is a sharia based society.


You really can´t compare, say, Turkish, Bosnian, Albanian and Azeri Muslims to Saudis, Iraqis, Afghans and Pakistanis. And even within on ethnic group there are dozens , if not hundreds of different variations of Muslim.


In the city of Izmir in Turkey most people would identify as Muslim but you also have a lot of LGBQT people there who can very openly live their lifestyle but a few hundred miles farther east it is a whole different situation even though it´s the same country.


Countries such as Saudia Arabia or Iran kill gay people, many other predominantly Muslim countries don´t.


Judaism is much older than Christianity and Islam is ca. 600 years younger than Christianity. You are absolutely right that some Muslim countries today are way behind but some of those countries were secular and not very religious at all a few decades ago.


For reasons too numerous to mention your country has been destabilizing those countries and it has also supported more religious political circles instead of supporting secular or even liberal and progressive parties.


I have spoken with devout Muslims who told me that they wished that Turkey was more like the USA, Utah and Texas in particular, because they believed that those states are closer to sharia law than most big cities in Turkey because you can´t drink in public in TX and UT and because you need to go to a liquor store to buy alcohol whereas in Turkey you can drink alcohol in public, buy alcohol at the supermarket and dress the way you want to dress.


Of course not all states are the same but still, the US is in many ways comparatively strict, too, depending on the region you live in .



Agreed, I think it's an important distinction to make that Muslims in more westernized countries like turkey differ from Muslims in places like Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.
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2elijah said:

guitarslinger44 said:



I think I can speak for DJ as well as myself when I say that that's not true at least from what I've seen. You disagree with people here and unless you're part of the cool kids club, you get piled on by a bunch of people insulting you. It's childish.

As for religion, no one's trying to make the case that christianity, Judaism, etc haven't had dark eras and done terrible things, it's just that Islam is about as old as they are and it's still doing the same things those religions were to gays, women, apostates, etc in the middle ages, but IN THE 2010s.

[Edited 8/25/19 9:10am]


Many in the past and present use(d) Christianity, to promote it as though it is above all others, while belittling others. It does not reign supreme over all others, especially when it has a long history of terrorizing/manipulating others into its belief system.

My point is, there are bad apples within all religions, and one religion shouldn’t be labeled as though all who practice it, are be criminals believed to have intentions to harm. It’s unfair to do that. But like I said, many Americans have been manipulated into having bias towards Islam because of the 9/11 tragedy. At the same time, many of those Americans turn a blind eye, to domestic terrorists born in this own country, causing more domestic terrorism than outside religious groups have done here.

Anyway, I’m not going to go round-and-round on this. We just have a different point of view on the topic.



All I was saying is that in 2019, no other major religion is killing gays and stoning women to death. As such, it's funny that people who proclaim to be pro gay and pro women would also stan for this religion.

No one's saying other religions haven't done bad things, it's just that they haven't done
medieval thingss like this in recent times.
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Reply #25 posted 08/25/19 12:32pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Yea we love gays here? lol



Blame Wahabbism not Islam. Did you watch the videos?



You don't love gays if you're advocating a religion, a majority of whose adherents believe gays should be killed.

Yes, I watched the videos and Suleiman seems like a good guy, but he's a minority in the Muslim world and I'm not entirely unconvinced he doesn't hold some of these same opinions. It was interesting to watch though.

Now answer my question.
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Reply #26 posted 08/25/19 12:47pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

2elijah said:



Many in the past and present use(d) Christianity, to promote it as though it is above all others, while belittling others. It does not reign supreme over all others, especially when it has a long history of terrorizing/manipulating others into its belief system.

My point is, there are bad apples within all religions, and one religion shouldn’t be labeled as though all who practice it, are be criminals believed to have intentions to harm. It’s unfair to do that. But like I said, many Americans have been manipulated into having bias towards Islam because of the 9/11 tragedy. At the same time, many of those Americans turn a blind eye, to domestic terrorists born in this own country, causing more domestic terrorism than outside religious groups have done here.

Anyway, I’m not going to go round-and-round on this. We just have a different point of view on the topic.



All I was saying is that in 2019, no other major religion is killing gays and stoning women to death. As such, it's funny that people who proclaim to be pro gay and pro women would also stan for this religion.

No one's saying other religions haven't done bad things, it's just that they haven't done
medieval thingss like this in recent times.

I don’t stand for those who use/ abuse religion to promote/practice/justify their biases/ crimes. I just don’t believe in condemning ‘one’ religious group’s bad actions, when bad actions exists in other religious groups. There are many Christians who condemn the LGBT community. Also many who are anti-abortion, pro-lifers, which interferes with the personal decisions/freedom of women. Many of them who are voters can have an impact on women’s rights. That’s controlling/limiting womens’ rights, which controlling women existed in medieval times as well.

So getting back to Islam, I’m not a follower of it, but it goes without saying that the bias against those who practice it, increased after 9/11, and false info told to Americans, that Muslims from other countries are America’s biggest threat, and possible terrorists, when in fact it’s many American-born, currently right-wing extremists, domestic terrorists (according to the FBI Director), who are our biggest threat.

Anyway, I’ll stop here, I was trying not to get pulled into this discussion again. Just my point of view on this.
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Reply #27 posted 08/25/19 1:02pm

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2elijah said:

guitarslinger44 said:




All I was saying is that in 2019, no other major religion is killing gays and stoning women to death. As such, it's funny that people who proclaim to be pro gay and pro women would also stan for this religion.

No one's saying other religions haven't done bad things, it's just that they haven't done
medieval thingss like this in recent times.

I don’t stand for those who use/ abuse religion to promote/practice/justify their biases/ crimes. I just don’t believe in condemning ‘one’ religious group’s bad actions, when bad actions exists in other religious groups. There are many Christians who condemn the LGBT community. Also many who are anti-abortion, pro-lifers, which interferes with the personal decisions/freedom of women. Many of them who are voters can have an impact on women’s rights. That’s controlling/limiting womens’ rights, which controlling women existed in medieval times as well.

So getting back to Islam, I’m not a follower of it, but it goes without saying that the bias against those who practice it, increased after 9/11, and false info told to Americans, that Muslims from other countries are America’s biggest threat, and possible terrorists, when in fact it’s many American-born, currently right-wing extremists, domestic terrorists (according to the FBI Director), who are our biggest threat.

Anyway, I’ll stop here, I was trying not to get pulled into this discussion again. Just my point of view on this.
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Spot on !
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2elijah said:

guitarslinger44 said:
All I was saying is that in 2019, no other major religion is killing gays and stoning women to death. As such, it's funny that people who proclaim to be pro gay and pro women would also stan for this religion. No one's saying other religions haven't done bad things, it's just that they haven't done medieval thingss like this in recent times.
I don’t stand for those who use/ abuse religion to promote/practice/justify their biases/ crimes. I just don’t believe in condemning ‘one’ religious group’s bad actions, when bad actions exists in other religious groups. There are many Christians who condemn the LGBT community. Also many who are anti-abortion, pro-lifers, which interferes with the personal decisions/freedom of women. Many of them who are voters can have an impact on women’s rights. That’s controlling/limiting womens’ rights, which controlling women existed in medieval times as well. So getting back to Islam, I’m not a follower of it, but it goes without saying that the bias against those who practice it, increased after 9/11, and false info told to Americans, that Muslims from other countries are America’s biggest threat, and possible terrorists, when in fact it’s many American-born, currently right-wing extremists, domestic terrorists (according to the FBI Director), who are our biggest threat. Anyway, I’ll stop here, I was trying not to get pulled into this discussion again. Just my point of view on this. [Edited 8/25/19 12:59pm]

so you are saying it is bigotry to say "this group is a threat" but okay to say "White people are a threat"?

What if we looked at gun crime rates corrected for population? what would those figures say?

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #29 posted 08/25/19 1:51pm

IanRG

What is the point of this thread?

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Is it to attack people based on their religion? Or having any religion at all? Or being associated with an area of the world? Or being of a different ethnicity or skin colour? Or being from the far right? Or is it just to find fault in others in general?

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Even the topic title is ambiguous. Is it asking the haters to learn about Islam or for us to learn about the haters of Islam? Either way it is tagging people by hate.

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The videos are about learning about a group of people living within our countries. A group for various imposed and self inflicted reasons feels misunderstood and ostracised within Western culture. Increasing dialogue between groups so people can learn more about each other and find common ground and understanding to reduce the hate can only be good. This does not mean that we cannot find reasons to hate some of the things done in the name of any side. It does mean that by learning about each other, we can all find ways to reduce what is rightfully hated: The bigotry and violence against people that are different from the hater.

[Edited 8/25/19 14:04pm]

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