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Thread started 03/21/18 6:08pm

Seahorsie

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His Gift

I don't know why, but have been thinking about the Purple One's gift of musical genius. As a warning here, if you do not believe in a higher power, or can't take anything on faith alone, you might want to delve into one of the other meaner topics right now.

You know when you look at the lives of people around you, you can see that "no one really has it all" in this life? There is always some portion of their lives that is not right, or is going south? Like a friend of yours has a really great job, but has never gotten married or found the right one, etc? Someone has really great kids, but their husband is cheating on them.

I got to thinking one evening about the things Prince had to endure in life, and the list is pretty sobering- some of them I don't know if I could have taken in combination.

*Death of his children

*Distance in his relationship with parents

*Very short for a male

*Emotional trauma in youth

*No long-term marriage or life partner

*Chronic physical pain?

*Possible opiod addiction & all that brings

*Inability to trust others due to your fame

So what did he get instead of these? His gift of music, material wealth,and a deep faith in God. I don't really think the wealth meant all that much to him when you look at how he lived his life. Just look at what he said in his music, "In this life...you're on your own!" Just my thoughts on a Wednesday night. Comments?

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Reply #1 posted 03/22/18 1:39am

thedance

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wow, u are really something.. wow, so very muthaf*cking negative u are.. eek



well done...... rolleyes mad

(what kind of sad life do u have urself?)

Prince was a multimillion seller, one of the most succesful on this planet, ever. wink cool cool cool

Now lock this shitty, pissy thread..... neutral

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Reply #2 posted 03/22/18 3:21am

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thedance said:

wow, u are really something.. wow, so very muthaf*cking negative u are.. eek



well done..... rolleyes mad

(what kind of sad life do u have urself?)

Prince was a multimillion seller, one of the most succesful on this planet, ever. wink cool cool cool

Now lock this shitty, pissy thread..... neutral



Agreed.

Similar to the previous thread accusing Prince of 'mocking God' and 'satanism', most of the protagonists joined prince.org after Prince's death and have their own biased agenda. The same applies here.
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Reply #3 posted 03/22/18 3:54am

NouveauDance

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Double agreed. You know when some starts a post with the first line like this you're in for a bumpy ride. Gross.

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Reply #4 posted 03/22/18 2:45pm

luvsexy4all

he had some of the finest tail thru his life....he died happy with that also

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Reply #5 posted 03/22/18 8:25pm

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OperatingThetan said:

thedance said:

wow, u are really something.. wow, so very muthaf*cking negative u are.. eek



well done...... rolleyes mad

(what kind of sad life do u have urself?)

Prince was a multimillion seller, one of the most succesful on this planet, ever. wink cool cool cool

Now lock this shitty, pissy thread..... neutral

Agreed. Similar to the previous thread accusing Prince of 'mocking God' and 'satanism', most of the protagonists joined prince.org after Prince's death and have their own biased agenda. The same applies here.

yeahthat

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #6 posted 03/25/18 3:03pm

Seahorsie

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What I was trying to emphasize was that although he faced lots of adversity in his life, he was still able to triumph over it! Sometimes it seems like people just want to start a big controversy about what anyone writes. Lots of individuals have faced less and just quit trying. I think everyone needs to queue up some purple party music!!!
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Reply #7 posted 03/25/18 3:32pm

blizzybiz

thedance said:

wow, u are really something.. wow, so very muthaf*cking negative u are.. eek



well done...... rolleyes mad

(what kind of sad life do u have urself?)

Prince was a multimillion seller, one of the most succesful on this planet, ever. wink cool cool cool

Now lock this shitty, pissy thread..... neutral

I'm not sure I understand your response here; the OP is simply pointing out that with Prince's fantastic gifts, there's the possiblity that the adversity in his life shaped that artist that we came to know and love. Would he be that Prince if he weren't short? Or abused? Or any of the other things that shaped who he was that caused his gift to flourish?

It takes a mature mind to wonder about these things, and I think people that are afraid to respond in the way that you did.

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Reply #8 posted 03/26/18 1:11am

thedance

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^ wth.. eek


... still.... this thread screams "negativity",

Just read the things listed by the OP

this kind of shit deserves a lock

This reply is from a non-english P-fan, and yeah I might have misunderstood "something"...

If thats the case, I am happy that u can tell + adjust me.. wink

rolleyes

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Reply #9 posted 03/26/18 1:17am

thedance

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ps back to more positive vibes,

Prince wasn't all a fail, relationship-wise. (Like its listed by the OP)

Prince had a lot friends, especially female friends.

And....... lol

Prince got a lot more pussy in his lifetime,

more... p*ssy.... than I expect most here on the Org could ever imagine.. wink razz


I can't hide I am a bit jealous, in that way.... cool eek eek eek

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Reply #10 posted 03/26/18 8:31am

blizzybiz

thedance said:

ps back to more positive vibes,

Prince wasn't all a fail, relationship-wise. (Like its listed by the OP)

Prince had a lot friends, especially female friends.

And....... lol

Prince got a lot more pussy in his lifetime,

more... p*ssy.... than I expect most here on the Org could ever imagine.. wink razz


I can't hide I am a bit jealous, in that way.... cool eek eek eek

So, you're saying that a certain amount of "p^ssy" equates to lifelong happiness? that it somehow mitigates terrible things you may have experienced as a child?

And, Prince himself has said that many of his "friends" were in fact not friends at all.

Again, the OP is a valid comment on what perhaps made Prince and how he overcame/conquered it.

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Reply #11 posted 03/26/18 9:06am

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There is nothing in the original post suggesting Prince's triumph over adversity. Rather, it draws attention to allegedly negative elements Prince experienced in an attempt to imply his success came with a cost.

It is the kind of idea popular among people who like to find fault with successful people and imply they're not truly happy or fulfilled.

Tragedy befalls most people whether they're successful or not. None are immune.
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Reply #12 posted 03/26/18 9:44am

jazzz

Wow.... I do not understand all the agression that comes loose following OP’s post. The things said seem legitimate. Prince was a musical genius, had many fine women, lots of money, but in the end that did not bring him all the happiness he deserved. That’s something I feel sorry for (being a father of a son myself)...
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Reply #13 posted 03/26/18 9:55am

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jazzz said:

Wow.... I do not understand all the agression that comes loose following OP’s post. The things said seem legitimate. Prince was a musical genius, had many fine women, lots of money, but in the end that did not bring him all the happiness he deserved. That’s something I feel sorry for (being a father of a son myself)...


How do you know the state of Prince's happiness? Any judgement is merely from our own perceptions and biases.

We know Prince was experiencing some physical pain due to years of touring, but that is all. Anything else is pure conjecture.
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Reply #14 posted 03/26/18 10:53am

jazzz

OperatingThetan said:

jazzz said:

Wow.... I do not understand all the agression that comes loose following OP’s post. The things said seem legitimate. Prince was a musical genius, had many fine women, lots of money, but in the end that did not bring him all the happiness he deserved. That’s something I feel sorry for (being a father of a son myself)...


How do you know the state of Prince's happiness? Any judgement is merely from our own perceptions and biases.

We know Prince was experiencing some physical pain due to years of touring, but that is all. Anything else is pure conjecture.

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Listen 2 AOA
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Reply #15 posted 03/26/18 11:25am

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jazzz said:

OperatingThetan said:



How do you know the state of Prince's happiness? Any judgement is merely from our own perceptions and biases.

We know Prince was experiencing some physical pain due to years of touring, but that is all. Anything else is pure conjecture.

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Listen 2 AOA


I've listened to AOA, along with every other Prince album. The original post is still conjecture and the language used in no way indicates any kind of positive triumph over adversity, thus the negative responses here.
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Reply #16 posted 03/26/18 11:42am

blizzybiz

OperatingThetan said:

jazzz said:
. Listen 2 AOA
I've listened to AOA, along with every other Prince album. The original post is still conjecture and the language used in no way indicates any kind of positive triumph over adversity, thus the negative responses here.

says you. I read it and I think it quite clearly indicated that Prince positively triumphed over adversity.

Maybe some of you need to open up a bit and maybe think critically about things that don't on its face confirm some kind of bias you might have?

Power to the ones
who could raise a child like me
The path was set
But if u look the truth will set us free
I've heard about those happy endings
But it's still a mystery
Lemme tell u about me
I'm happiest when I can see
My way back home

How clearer could he be in his own words?

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Reply #17 posted 03/26/18 11:46am

blizzybiz

So many reasons why
There's so many reasons why
I don't belong here
But now that I am I
Without fear I am
Gonna conquer with no fear
Until I find my way back home
Until I find my way back home
Find my way back home


I don't think Prince could have been much clearer about how he saw his life than what he provides in "Way Back Home" and Affirmation I and II.

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Reply #18 posted 03/26/18 12:42pm

OperatingTheta
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blizzybiz said:



OperatingThetan said:


jazzz said:
. Listen 2 AOA

I've listened to AOA, along with every other Prince album. The original post is still conjecture and the language used in no way indicates any kind of positive triumph over adversity, thus the negative responses here.

says you. I read it and I think it quite clearly indicated that Prince positively triumphed over adversity.




Maybe some of you need to open up a bit and maybe think critically about things that don't on its face confirm some kind of bias you might have?




Power to the ones
who could raise a child like me
The path was set
But if u look the truth will set us free
I've heard about those happy endings
But it's still a mystery
Lemme tell u about me
I'm happiest when I can see
My way back home



How clearer could he be in his own words?



I am not stating that Prince did not triumph over tragedy. I am stating that was not the intent of the original post.

As I stated before, no-one is immune to tragedy and hardship and Prince was no exception. Connecting those difficulties to his gift and success and directly comparing them, as the poster did (along with references to a 'higher power' and acceptance on faith alone) changes the tenor entirely.
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Reply #19 posted 03/26/18 1:24pm

blizzybiz

OperatingThetan said:

blizzybiz said:

says you. I read it and I think it quite clearly indicated that Prince positively triumphed over adversity.

Maybe some of you need to open up a bit and maybe think critically about things that don't on its face confirm some kind of bias you might have?

Power to the ones
who could raise a child like me
The path was set
But if u look the truth will set us free
I've heard about those happy endings
But it's still a mystery
Lemme tell u about me
I'm happiest when I can see
My way back home

How clearer could he be in his own words?

I am not stating that Prince did not triumph over tragedy. I am stating that was not the intent of the original post. As I stated before, no-one is immune to tragedy and hardship and Prince was no exception. Connecting those difficulties to his gift and success and directly comparing them, as the poster did (along with references to a 'higher power' and acceptance on faith alone) changes the tenor entirely.

potatoe, patato...I read it and thought it was quite profound to connect his adversites to his gifts. Again, the verses in "Way Back Home", I think, speak to this in a very obvious way.

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Reply #20 posted 03/26/18 6:19pm

Seahorsie

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Well, it has been interesting to say the least. I love the music Prince created for all of us to enjoy for generations to come. I listed some of what may (we can never confirm all these) have been some of the things he went though while here. I guess I should leave God out of my posts, 'cause that really sets some people on fire. Can't though,because I believe in him.
Some of the things I listed were things we shared: not having biological children, being short, family problems with parents. Was thinking with empathy on these, not criticism although some may have decided that for themselves. You can't be criticised for things you had no control over.
I guess what I was attempting to say was he was that he made a great success of his life in spite of it all! Just for me, I don't equate wealth with how happy you really are. ( lots of miserable rich people, of which prince was not one of)
He had his god-given music, the love of all his fams, and an enduring faith. Those were his gifts to treasure, as we now treasure his memory.
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Reply #21 posted 03/27/18 10:05am

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like the OperatingTheTan said above (very well said imo) we can't judge Prince and his life whether he was "happy" - or not because none of us knew him personally,

none of us no exactly how happy Prince was in his extremely loooong musical-life.. P had a looong and so succesful career:

I believe he was a happy musician by heart, Prince lived his life and shared his wonderful gifts with us... we, his fans.. we should appreciate him all the way.. right? heart

Prince deserved & deserves our deepest respect.

The OP was listing so many "socalled negative" aspects,

But is the glass half full -- or half empty, was Prince happy totally? (who is happy, who is succesful?)

My reply to the extreme negative OP is....



judge others Seahorsie.. and u shall be judged urself.. wink confused cool

[Edited 3/27/18 10:05am]

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Reply #22 posted 03/27/18 12:50pm

luvsexy4all

"im the greatest soul u'll ever know"

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Reply #23 posted 03/30/18 1:32pm

Seahorsie

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My OP was not a judgement on Prince's life. How could you possibly criticise someone for their stature?? That is just DNA. I only listed the the hard things he probably went through. (Although a few are conjecture) This was just to show how even more amazing it was he wrote all the happy party music for the world in his time here.
Isn't this supposed to be a place where we can talk about the artist we all admired without others trying to hack u up in pieces? Enough said....
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Reply #24 posted 03/30/18 2:25pm

laytonian

blizzybiz said:

So many reasons why
There's so many reasons why
I don't belong here
But now that I am I
Without fear I am
Gonna conquer with no fear
Until I find my way back home
Until I find my way back home
Find my way back home


I don't think Prince could have been much clearer about how he saw his life than what he provides in "Way Back Home" and Affirmation I and II.



...and Affirmation III ON AOA clearly says:
"Remember, there is really only one destination, and that place is you
All of it, everything is you"

FINDING YOURSELF.
In suspension at 55, awakens in 45 years, age obviously 100.
Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #25 posted 03/30/18 8:35pm

NewYorkCity

What you think are negatives may not have been negatives to him.

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Reply #26 posted 03/31/18 2:45pm

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Seahorsie said:

I don't know why, but have been thinking about the Purple One's gift of musical genius. As a warning here, if you do not believe in a higher power, or can't take anything on faith alone, you might want to delve into one of the other meaner topics right now.

You know when you look at the lives of people around you, you can see that "no one really has it all" in this life? There is always some portion of their lives that is not right, or is going south? Like a friend of yours has a really great job, but has never gotten married or found the right one, etc? Someone has really great kids, but their husband is cheating on them.

I got to thinking one evening about the things Prince had to endure in life, and the list is pretty sobering- some of them I don't know if I could have taken in combination.

*Death of his children

*Distance in his relationship with parents

*Very short for a male

*Emotional trauma in youth

*No long-term marriage or life partner

*Chronic physical pain?

*Possible opiod addiction & all that brings

*Inability to trust others due to your fame

So what did he get instead of these? His gift of music, material wealth,and a deep faith in God. I don't really think the wealth meant all that much to him when you look at how he lived his life. Just look at what he said in his music, "In this life...you're on your own!" Just my thoughts on a Wednesday night. Comments?

"The ride up front is better when U've been in the back.

And that's a fact"

"Whatever skin Ur in
we all need 2 b friends"
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