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Article: Michelle Obama recounts difficulty in convincing PRINCE to perform at White House

Check out the article published by Consequence of Sound entitled "Michelle Obama recounts difficulty in convincing Prince to perform at White House":

https://consequenceofsoun...ite-house/
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Reply #1 posted 12/12/18 2:30pm

pdiddy2011

Thanks for sharing that article.


Its amazing to me that a person can get so lofty in stature that "The White House" has to convince him to come in to perform, and they seemed happy to have the opportunity to convince him.


Absolutely NO SHADE. It's just crazy to think that from such humble beginnings you can reach such heights. P was the man!

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Reply #2 posted 12/12/18 2:45pm

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^^And yet, some 'fans' still think that Prince wasn't 'mainstream'.

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Reply #3 posted 12/12/18 3:02pm

pinkcashmere23

Interesting! Sounds like a good interview. I'll check it out. Thanks Latin!

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Reply #4 posted 12/12/18 4:30pm

donnyenglish

It also shows that he was still observant of his faith less than a year before his passing.
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Reply #5 posted 12/12/18 4:36pm

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Even the Obamas had issues dealing with Prince! lol prince

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Reply #6 posted 12/12/18 5:19pm

pinkcashmere23

donnyenglish said:

It also shows that he was still observant of his faith less than a year before his passing.

I noted that as well. I think it was mentioned that he also attended a JW service before Easter in 2016.

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Reply #7 posted 12/12/18 5:28pm

andrewm7

thanks for posting this Latin! Also interesting because a lot of the private gigs he played for cash for the ultra wealthy were birthday celebrations
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Reply #8 posted 12/12/18 6:49pm

laytonian

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thanks for posting this Latin! Also interesting because a lot of the private gigs he played for cash for the ultra wealthy were birthday celebrations


And also other holidays (New Years Eve).
It may have been a visibility thing.
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Reply #9 posted 12/13/18 5:54am

rednblue

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thanks for posting this Latin! Also interesting because a lot of the private gigs he played for cash for the ultra wealthy were birthday celebrations



Was asking about this elsewhere, as I have a vague memory of reading about P playing birthday celebrations in the 2000s, and I ended up looking for sources for this. Not meant in a challenging way to either P or anyone here, but has anyone got a source link or two for this?

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Reply #10 posted 12/13/18 6:50am

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pinkcashmere23 said:



donnyenglish said:


It also shows that he was still observant of his faith less than a year before his passing.

I noted that as well. I think it was mentioned that he also attended a JW service before Easter in 2016.


After his passing there was a JW service which Larry Graham spoke at and members of 3EG attended. Shelby J. as well. Shelby said on FB that she attended because she wanted to honor his faith.

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Reply #11 posted 12/13/18 6:40pm

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Prince was baptized? That's surprising to hear.
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Reply #12 posted 12/13/18 9:38pm

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The investigation file shows that Larry only saw P twice in the six months prior to his death. Once in March 2016 for Easter services at Kingdom Hall and the Monday before his passing at PP.

I dont think attending services once at KH in six months is exactly something the JW were condoning.



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Reply #13 posted 12/13/18 11:10pm

rogifan

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The investigation file shows that Larry only saw P twice in the six months prior to his death. Once in March 2016 for Easter services at Kingdom Hall and the Monday before his passing at PP.

I dont think attending services once at KH in six months is exactly something the JW were condoning.





I didn’t think JW observed Easter (or Christmas). confused

This from a 2012 interview with the Chicago Tribune:

https://www.chicagotribun...story.html

And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study.

"I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'"
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Reply #14 posted 12/14/18 12:41am

Sydney

Prince was so large even the President and First Lady had to go out of their way to get him to the White House. Classiest musician ever - I miss his style levels when I read things like this.

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Reply #15 posted 12/14/18 12:50am

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rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The investigation file shows that Larry only saw P twice in the six months prior to his death. Once in March 2016 for Easter services at Kingdom Hall and the Monday before his passing at PP.

I dont think attending services once at KH in six months is exactly something the JW were condoning.





I didn’t think JW observed Easter (or Christmas). :-?

This from a 2012 interview with the Chicago Tribune:

https://www.chicagotribun...story.html

And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study.

"I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'"
[Edited 12/13/18 23:14pm]


Sounds a lot like a cult to me. "Come with us, Brother Nelson, we shall not judge."
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Reply #16 posted 12/14/18 2:04am

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EmmaMcG said:

rogifan said:
I didn’t think JW observed Easter (or Christmas). confused This from a 2012 interview with the Chicago Tribune: https://www.chicagotribun...story.html And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study. "I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'" [Edited 12/13/18 23:14pm]
Sounds a lot like a cult to me. "Come with us, Brother Nelson, we shall not judge."

To me it just sounds like the person genuinely missed him. I miss him a lot now. Who wouldn't? Prince was a very likeable person.

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Reply #17 posted 12/14/18 3:00am

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CherryMoon57 said:



EmmaMcG said:


rogifan said:
I didn’t think JW observed Easter (or Christmas). confused This from a 2012 interview with the Chicago Tribune: https://www.chicagotribun...story.html And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study. "I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'" [Edited 12/13/18 23:14pm]

Sounds a lot like a cult to me. "Come with us, Brother Nelson, we shall not judge."

To me it just sounds like the person genuinely missed him. I miss him a lot now. Who wouldn't? Prince was a very likeable person.



I only met him once and it wasn't long enough for me to tell what kind of person he was. He seemed nice enough though. There's conflicting reports about what kind of person he was. He might have been a really great guy. Or he could have been a complete bastard. I'd guess the truth was somewhere in between. Regardless, I miss his music and I feel sorry for him.
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Reply #18 posted 12/14/18 4:20am

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EmmaMcG said:

CherryMoon57 said:

To me it just sounds like the person genuinely missed him. I miss him a lot now. Who wouldn't? Prince was a very likeable person.

I only met him once and it wasn't long enough for me to tell what kind of person he was. He seemed nice enough though. There's conflicting reports about what kind of person he was. He might have been a really great guy. Or he could have been a complete bastard. I'd guess the truth was somewhere in between. Regardless, I miss his music and I feel sorry for him.


It's not for us to judge, everyone has their moments. I met him enough times and long enough to see that he was trying his best in life and with others.

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Reply #19 posted 12/14/18 5:23am

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CherryMoon57 said:



EmmaMcG said:


CherryMoon57 said:


To me it just sounds like the person genuinely missed him. I miss him a lot now. Who wouldn't? Prince was a very likeable person.



I only met him once and it wasn't long enough for me to tell what kind of person he was. He seemed nice enough though. There's conflicting reports about what kind of person he was. He might have been a really great guy. Or he could have been a complete bastard. I'd guess the truth was somewhere in between. Regardless, I miss his music and I feel sorry for him.


It's not for us to judge, everyone has their moments. I met him enough times and long enough to see that he was trying his best in life and with others.



To be honest, I don't even mind if he was a bad guy or a good guy. It doesn't change my enjoyment of his music.
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Reply #20 posted 12/14/18 7:09am

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EmmaMcG said:

rogifan said:



I didn’t think JW observed Easter (or Christmas). :-?

This from a 2012 interview with the Chicago Tribune:

https://www.chicagotribun...story.html

And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study.

"I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'"
[Edited 12/13/18 23:14pm]


Sounds a lot like a cult to me. "Come with us, Brother Nelson, we shall not judge."

Are you referring to JW or religion in general?
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Reply #21 posted 12/14/18 7:45am

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Even the Obamas had issues dealing with Prince! lol prince




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Reply #22 posted 12/14/18 8:57am

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rogifan said:

EmmaMcG said:



Sounds a lot like a cult to me. "Come with us, Brother Nelson, we shall not judge."

Are you referring to JW or religion in general?


Well, in this context, I guess I'm referring to JWs because the quote supposedly came from a JW. But most major religions are guilty of the same thing. My uncle is a priest and even he says he's not comfortable with the "culty aspects" of the Catholic Church. The use of certain phrases, the threats of punishment in the afterlife if you don't obey the rules on Earth, the whole outdated presentation and beliefs (no sex before marriage, no abortions, no gays etc).

It seems a shame that someone like Prince, a man who used to celebrate freedom, sexual and otherwise, would get mixed up in such a cult. Not so much for himself, he was a grown man who really should have known better, but when his new beliefs worked themselves into his music, it was his longtime fans who suffered. They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". I do feel sorry for him because Larry Graham, as all great cult recruiters do, got to him at a turbulent time in his life.
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Reply #23 posted 12/14/18 12:04pm

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EmmaMcG said:

rogifan said:


Are you referring to JW or religion in general?


Well, in this context, I guess I'm referring to JWs because the quote supposedly came from a JW. But most major religions are guilty of the same thing. My uncle is a priest and even he says he's not comfortable with the "culty aspects" of the Catholic Church. The use of certain phrases, the threats of punishment in the afterlife if you don't obey the rules on Earth, the whole outdated presentation and beliefs (no sex before marriage, no abortions, no gays etc).

It seems a shame that someone like Prince, a man who used to celebrate freedom, sexual and otherwise, would get mixed up in such a cult. Not so much for himself, he was a grown man who really should have known better, but when his new beliefs worked themselves into his music, it was his longtime fans who suffered. They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". I do feel sorry for him because Larry Graham, as all great cult recruiters do, got to him at a turbulent time in his life.

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Reply #24 posted 12/14/18 12:14pm

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rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The investigation file shows that Larry only saw P twice in the six months prior to his death. Once in March 2016 for Easter services at Kingdom Hall and the Monday before his passing at PP.

I dont think attending services once at KH in six months is exactly something the JW were condoning.



I didn’t think JW observed Easter (or Christmas). confused This from a 2012 interview with the Chicago Tribune: https://www.chicagotribun...story.html And his eyes glisten when he recalls a few words spoken to him at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just a few hundred yards down the road from Paisley Park, where he regularly attends Bible study. "I had missed a bunch of meetings because I was on tour, and you know how people like to gossip and talk behind your back? Well, there was none of that," he says. "When I came back, there was one older person there who came up to me. He didn't lay a guilt trip on me. He just spoke with love and compassion, and I'll never forget what he said. 'We just miss you.'" [Edited 12/13/18 23:14pm]



You are correct. JW's dont celebrate "Easter" and Larry called it

"The Memorial of Christ's Death."


So to reiterate, LG only saw P at Kingdom Hall 1x in the six months prior to his passing, and it was at The Memorial of Christ's Death.

LG also told the detective in the 20 years he had known P, P use to go to KH with him 3 times per week. However, in the last 5-6 years he did not see P often.

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Reply #26 posted 12/14/18 1:57pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

EmmaMcG said:



Well, in this context, I guess I'm referring to JWs because the quote supposedly came from a JW. But most major religions are guilty of the same thing. My uncle is a priest and even he says he's not comfortable with the "culty aspects" of the Catholic Church. The use of certain phrases, the threats of punishment in the afterlife if you don't obey the rules on Earth, the whole outdated presentation and beliefs (no sex before marriage, no abortions, no gays etc).

It seems a shame that someone like Prince, a man who used to celebrate freedom, sexual and otherwise, would get mixed up in such a cult. Not so much for himself, he was a grown man who really should have known better, but when his new beliefs worked themselves into his music, it was his longtime fans who suffered. They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". I do feel sorry for him because Larry Graham, as all great cult recruiters do, got to him at a turbulent time in his life.

You never knew prince, people grow and mature and start having a different view point as we grow! Prince's life isn't for to fit his fans personal narrative of him

Yes. Bruce Springsteen just recently said he’s now a regular visitor to the Catholic Church he attended as a child. He said people get more spiritual as they get older.
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Strawberrylova123 said:

EmmaMcG said:



Well, in this context, I guess I'm referring to JWs because the quote supposedly came from a JW. But most major religions are guilty of the same thing. My uncle is a priest and even he says he's not comfortable with the "culty aspects" of the Catholic Church. The use of certain phrases, the threats of punishment in the afterlife if you don't obey the rules on Earth, the whole outdated presentation and beliefs (no sex before marriage, no abortions, no gays etc).

It seems a shame that someone like Prince, a man who used to celebrate freedom, sexual and otherwise, would get mixed up in such a cult. Not so much for himself, he was a grown man who really should have known better, but when his new beliefs worked themselves into his music, it was his longtime fans who suffered. They bought into this man who championed diversity in all its forms and then he became almost like a parody of those people who "find God" when he started changing his own lyrics and working in lines such as "if you want to be with me ain't no room for disagree". I do feel sorry for him because Larry Graham, as all great cult recruiters do, got to him at a turbulent time in his life.

You never knew prince, people grow and mature and start having a different view point as we grow! Prince's life isn't for to fit his fans personal narrative of him


Yeah, that's true. And personally, I only got into Prince after he joined the cult so that never really affected my own personal enjoyment of his music. I knew what I was getting into. But you only have to read a lot of comments on this site and some of his YouTube videos to see that his religion was a turn off for a lot of older fans. Nobody wants preachy rock stars. Thankfully his later work was less religion focused and his appearance on Janelle Monae's album went a long way to compensate for some of his alleged comments about gays. From the outside looking in, it seemed like he was moving away from the stricter values imposed by his religion. Or at least, he realised that in this day and age, potential customers don't like being told they're going to hell for not believing in the same things he believed. Whatever his reason was for laying off the preaching, it was very welcome.
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EmmaMcG said:

Strawberrylova123 said:


You never knew prince, people grow and mature and start having a different view point as we grow! Prince's life isn't for to fit his fans personal narrative of him


Yeah, that's true. And personally, I only got into Prince after he joined the cult so that never really affected my own personal enjoyment of his music. I knew what I was getting into. But you only have to read a lot of comments on this site and some of his YouTube videos to see that his religion was a turn off for a lot of older fans. Nobody wants preachy rock stars. Thankfully his later work was less religion focused and his appearance on Janelle Monae's album went a long way to compensate for some of his alleged comments about gays. From the outside looking in, it seemed like he was moving away from the stricter values imposed by his religion. Or at least, he realised that in this day and age, potential customers don't like being told they're going to hell for not believing in the same things he believed. Whatever his reason was for laying off the preaching, it was very welcome.

Again! Who cares if his fans liked his religion or not, it's not for his fans to like his personal choice or not. Also JW don't even believe in people being condemned in hell.
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Strawberrylova123 said:

EmmaMcG said:



Yeah, that's true. And personally, I only got into Prince after he joined the cult so that never really affected my own personal enjoyment of his music. I knew what I was getting into. But you only have to read a lot of comments on this site and some of his YouTube videos to see that his religion was a turn off for a lot of older fans. Nobody wants preachy rock stars. Thankfully his later work was less religion focused and his appearance on Janelle Monae's album went a long way to compensate for some of his alleged comments about gays. From the outside looking in, it seemed like he was moving away from the stricter values imposed by his religion. Or at least, he realised that in this day and age, potential customers don't like being told they're going to hell for not believing in the same things he believed. Whatever his reason was for laying off the preaching, it was very welcome.

Again! Who cares if his fans liked his religion or not, it's not for his fans to like his personal choice or not. Also JW don't even believe in people being condemned in hell.


He seemed to mind when his sales dwindled in later years. Now, either he was beginning to lose interest in the JW faith or he seen the negative impact his preaching was having on his popularity. But on his last few albums, there was less focus on his religion. Like I said, neither scenario makes any difference to me. If he wanted to believe in fairytales, that was his problem. I still loved the majority of his music regardless. But unfortunately for him, his religion turned a lot of fans off and may or may not have contributed to his death. Or at least, that's how a lot of his fans see it.
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