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Reply #330 posted 02/17/19 2:52pm

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jjam said:

Jesse's always seemed to have a massive chip on his shoulder.

Yeah,I noticed this back in 1985 when he released his first album.In interviews,he would say bold things like "My first album killed what Prince's first album did",forgetting that he was already well-known (from his years as The Time's guitarist) when his album came out.He constantly made it seem like a contest.I also recall him criticizing some of Prince's ideas."He made us play behind a curtain for Vanity 6",he said."Later we heard people saying, "The girls weren't much,but did you hear that band?".Just seems like he always had conflicts/disagreements with Prince shrug and sadly,he still seems to have that chip on his shoulder...carrying around all that anger.It's not healthy to do that.

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[Edited 2/17/19 14:53pm]

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Reply #331 posted 02/17/19 2:55pm

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SoulAlive said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Jesse played uncredited guitar on Shalamar's hit smash crossover single "Dead Giveaway".

It's a good thing that he didn't tell Prince about this biggrin back in those days,Prince didn't want his proteges working outside the camp.

Jesse actually did it for free. So Prince wouldn't find out about it. giggle

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #332 posted 02/17/19 3:29pm

ABro

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Throwing out an idea about what may have happened. On the "defenders" Twitter page they indicated that the recording took place "mid 2018" and that they (whoever they are) were not responsible for the recording. There was a Questlove Supreme interview with Jesse that was recorded in May 2018. Ingrid Chavez posted a picture from the recording on her Instagram account in May 2018. The audio was streamed on Questlove Supreme in August 2018. Did parts of the conversation (unaired sections) fall into the wrong hands? I do have screenshots from the defenders, Questlove and Ingrid but cannot figure out how to attach them. Of course this is pure speculation on my part.

[Edited 2/15/19 19:25pm]


Very interesting.

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
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Reply #333 posted 02/17/19 3:33pm

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iZsaZsa said:

ABro said:

Debbil falloff

Jesse is the one who stole the man's orange juice and got The Time in trouble. They know how Jesse is.

Didn't The Rev tie Jesse up and pelt food at him? They knew which one to get. lol

Shut up Jesse and have a great celebration.


Cut em Jesse headbang

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Reply #334 posted 02/17/19 4:06pm

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PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Jesse played uncredited guitar on Shalamar's hit smash crossover single "Dead Giveaway".

Jesse was also the first twin city producer to work with the beautiful,talented Janet Jackson.

[Edited 2/17/19 11:56am]

that's right and that shits flopped all over the twin cities and everywhere else.

All that matters is it was a start .It lead Janet to her destiny of working with the talented & gifted Jimmy Jam(whom I met) & Terry Lewis. Now SHE'S BEING INDUCTED INTO THE R&RHOF.

[Edited 2/17/19 17:13pm]

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #335 posted 02/17/19 4:54pm

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funksterr said:

Why doesn't Jesse tour?

nod He's got enough hits to do some solo dates and he would be a great addition to those Old School funk fest-type tours.

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Reply #336 posted 02/17/19 6:30pm

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People have to get over the fact that people lead their own lives and see the world from their view, with their own eyes and footsteps. It’s all good. It’s great to see how people exposed to something have their own vantage point.
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Reply #337 posted 02/17/19 6:53pm

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SoulAlive said:

funksterr said:

Why doesn't Jesse tour?

nod He's got enough hits to do some solo dates and he would be a great addition to those Old School funk fest-type tours.

U rarely see a guitar god on a Old School Funk tour. Which is why he hasn't done them. Jesse is more of a club gig artist performing on his own bill.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #338 posted 02/17/19 6:53pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

that's right and that shits flopped all over the twin cities and everywhere else.

All that matters is it was a start .It lead Janet to her destiny of working with the talented & gifted Jimmy Jam(whom I met) & Terry Lewis. Now SHE'S BEING INDUCTED INTO THE R&RHOF.

[Edited 2/17/19 17:13pm]

that shit floopppede, was it any good? i didn't buy it. she looked like she was still doing different strokes on the cover, jimy and terry told her she'd have to get nasty and shake her bootie.

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Reply #339 posted 02/17/19 7:32pm

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You know you are on a downhill slide when all you do is club gigs. lol

The Celebration is a step up for him, he'll finally have the attention of Prince's fans.

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Reply #340 posted 02/17/19 7:37pm

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PennyPurple said:

You know you are on a downhill slide when all you do is club gigs. lol

The Celebration is a step up for him, he'll finally have the attention of Prince's fans.

Uh..Jesse was never an arena level artist. And I have a feeling that he is very ok with that. And he already had the attention of Prince fans..way before your campaign.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #341 posted 02/18/19 8:45am

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PennyPurple said:

You know you are on a downhill slide when all you do is club gigs. lol


The Celebration is a step up for him, he'll finally have the attention of Prince's fans.



Professionally, Jesse Johnson is doing really well. He's right in there with D'Angelo and just last year he was featured on Chromeo's latest album. He's also recorded at least one other track with them that's likely to come out this year.
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Reply #342 posted 02/18/19 9:23am

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EmmaMcG said:

Professionally, Jesse Johnson is doing really well. He's right in there with D'Angelo and just last year he was featured on Chromeo's latest album. He's also recorded at least one other track with them that's likely to come out this year.


I didn't know about the Chromeo guest spot. I need to check that out. Thanks for the heads up!

Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #343 posted 02/18/19 9:31am

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SoulAlive said:

jjam said:

Jesse's always seemed to have a massive chip on his shoulder.

Yeah,I noticed this back in 1985 when he released his first album.In interviews,he would say bold things like "My first album killed what Prince's first album did",forgetting that he was already well-known (from his years as The Time's guitarist) when his album came out.He constantly made it seem like a contest.I also recall him criticizing some of Prince's ideas."He made us play behind a curtain for Vanity 6",he said."Later we heard people saying, "The girls weren't much,but did you hear that band?".Just seems like he always had conflicts/disagreements with Prince shrug and sadly,he still seems to have that chip on his shoulder...carrying around all that anger.It's not healthy to do that.

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[Edited 2/17/19 14:53pm]

Yes, but this (the bolded comment) was true - at least the good music playing behind the curtain part. Also, keep in mind, the crowd was there to see and here music being played - not for a female dancing/singing act in lingerie, which let's face it, was what Vanity 6 was about. The reviews about them were not the most positive back then.

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Reply #344 posted 02/18/19 9:32am

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djThunderfunk said:



EmmaMcG said:


Professionally, Jesse Johnson is doing really well. He's right in there with D'Angelo and just last year he was featured on Chromeo's latest album. He's also recorded at least one other track with them that's likely to come out this year.


I didn't know about the Chromeo guest spot. I need to check that out. Thanks for the heads up!



The song is called Must've Been. He's not listed as a featured artist on the track but he is listed in the liner notes as "guitars by". Which is understandable, seeing as he only plays guitar on the song. He also performed it live with Chromeo on The Tonight Show.
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Reply #345 posted 02/18/19 9:47am

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EmmaMcG said:

djThunderfunk said:


I didn't know about the Chromeo guest spot. I need to check that out. Thanks for the heads up!

The song is called Must've Been. He's not listed as a featured artist on the track but he is listed in the liner notes as "guitars by". Which is understandable, seeing as he only plays guitar on the song. He also performed it live with Chromeo on The Tonight Show.


Looks like that Tonight Show performance has been removed from youtube.... sad


Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #346 posted 02/18/19 10:13am

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I love this old article from 1983 - all of the funny statements by the associates to try to hide Prince's involvement. I think it's quite telling though how Prince recognized Jesse's talent by the fact that he was the only player not from the original MN scene who he placed in The Time ....

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By DEBBIE MILLER (April 28, 1983 (RS 394))
What Time Is It?



Morris didn't exactly put the group together -- all but guitarist Jesse Johnson had been playing around Minneapolis in a band called Flyte Tyme (known familiarly as the Tyme even then). But it is Morris who has led the band to the point where it now often steals the show from the scantily clad Vanity 6 and even from Prince. Morris, the former drummer, has stayed closer to traditional R&B but, by injecting his good humor, has developed one of the best live acts in the country.


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Reply #347 posted 02/18/19 11:59am

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PennyPurple said:

Are all fans like this, or is it only Prince fans?




From a Prince Defenders post:




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'Prince defenders'

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I would say these folk need to get out more.
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Reply #348 posted 02/18/19 2:00pm

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Regading the "Defenders" post about Prince never texting - I'm pretty sure Bobby Z has stated that he texted Prince after the Moline incident to see if he was okay. He stated Prince texted him back stating he was fine and inviting him to the upcoming PP party. Bobby stated he wrote back that he couldn't make it but he was glad he was doing okay. Their exchange was either via email or text.

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Reply #349 posted 02/18/19 5:06pm

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PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

All that matters is it was a start .It lead Janet to her destiny of working with the talented & gifted Jimmy Jam(whom I met) & Terry Lewis. Now SHE'S BEING INDUCTED INTO THE R&RHOF.

[Edited 2/17/19 17:13pm]

that shit floopppede, was it any good? i didn't buy it. she looked like she was still doing different strokes on the cover, jimy and terry told her she'd have to get nasty and shake her bootie.

Janet was exploring her inner artistry that her father Papa Joe saw in her & apparently Jesse also. I worked with her just before she started her successful music career. She SLAYED all the vocals on the Jesse produced track. Jesse should have produced Janet's whole second album.

The track he produced for Denise "Vanity" Matthew's "Undress Me" lead vocals was the best she EVER sounded. It rivaled even Prince's "Nasty Girl". The intoxicating beat I still play this very day.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #350 posted 02/18/19 5:30pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:



PeteSilas said:




ChocolateBox3121 said:



All that matters is it was a start .It lead Janet to her destiny of working with the talented & gifted Jimmy Jam(whom I met) & Terry Lewis. Now SHE'S BEING INDUCTED INTO THE R&RHOF.


[Edited 2/17/19 17:13pm]



that shit floopppede, was it any good? i didn't buy it. she looked like she was still doing different strokes on the cover, jimy and terry told her she'd have to get nasty and shake her bootie.



Janet was exploring her inner artistry that her father Papa Joe saw in her & apparently Jesse also. I worked with her just before she started her successful music career. She SLAYED all the vocals on the Jesse produced track. Jesse should have produced Janet's whole second album.



The track he produced for Denise "Vanity" Matthew's "Undress Me" lead vocals was the best she EVER sounded. It rivaled even Prince's "Nasty Girl". The intoxicating beat I still play this very day.




Went to YouTube to check out that track. Truly garbage. lol
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Reply #351 posted 02/18/19 6:19pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Janet was exploring her inner artistry that her father Papa Joe saw in her & apparently Jesse also. I worked with her just before she started her successful music career. She SLAYED all the vocals on the Jesse produced track. Jesse should have produced Janet's whole second album.

The track he produced for Denise "Vanity" Matthew's "Undress Me" lead vocals was the best she EVER sounded. It rivaled even Prince's "Nasty Girl". The intoxicating beat I still play this very day.

Went to YouTube to check out that track. Truly garbage. lol

so you're saying i shouldn't waste my time? my boy is priming my pump here.

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Reply #352 posted 02/18/19 11:15pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

that shit floopppede, was it any good? i didn't buy it. she looked like she was still doing different strokes on the cover, jimy and terry told her she'd have to get nasty and shake her bootie.

Janet was exploring her inner artistry that her father Papa Joe saw in her & apparently Jesse also. I worked with her just before she started her successful music career. She SLAYED all the vocals on the Jesse produced track. Jesse should have produced Janet's whole second album.

The track he produced for Denise "Vanity" Matthew's "Undress Me" lead vocals was the best she EVER sounded. It rivaled even Prince's "Nasty Girl". The intoxicating beat I still play this very day.



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Reply #353 posted 02/19/19 2:04am

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luv4u said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Janet was exploring her inner artistry that her father Papa Joe saw in her & apparently Jesse also. I worked with her just before she started her successful music career. She SLAYED all the vocals on the Jesse produced track. Jesse should have produced Janet's whole second album.

The track he produced for Denise "Vanity" Matthew's "Undress Me" lead vocals was the best she EVER sounded. It rivaled even Prince's "Nasty Girl". The intoxicating beat I still play this very day.



Stay on topic please rolleyes Leave JJ for the other forum. rolleyes

i know, that's what i was trying to discourage but they just don't get it.

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Reply #354 posted 02/20/19 8:55am

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ABro said:


Would Wendy & Lisa? Revolution members? Susan Rogers? Susannah? Sheila? Andre? Eric? Jill? Dez?

Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.......


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none of them would have becauase most people only know them through their association with prince and they were only hired for alot of jobs after due 2 that . they all talented but do u know how many talneted people sitting at home working regular 9-5 and im one of them . we can all assume but will never know. how they would of faired withoiut prince . one fact none of them besides jimmy and terry ever came close 2 reaching his level of succes

actually when it comes to a successfully producing and running a music company JJ & Terry Lewis did rival Prince in that regard.

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Reply #355 posted 02/20/19 10:24am

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Jesse always struck me as having a chip on his shoulder.

This piece from Prince in 1985 says a lot of how he viewed the individuals and where he thought they are best suited. I think this friction has continued with Jesse and the Time until recently

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Why did Morris say such negative things about you after he left the band?

People who leave usually do so out of a need to express something they can't do here. It's really that simple. Morris, for example, always wanted to be a solo act, period. But when you're broke and selling shoes someplace, you don't think about asking such a thing. Now, I think Morris is trying to create his own identity. One of the ways of doing that is trying to pretend that you don't have a past.

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Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."

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Reply #356 posted 02/20/19 10:41am

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MattyJam said:

Jesse always struck me as having a chip on his shoulder.

This piece from Prince in 1985 says a lot of how he viewed the individuals and where he thought they are best suited. I think this friction and continued with Jesse and the Time until recently

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Why did Morris say such negative things about you after he left the band?

People who leave usually do so out of a need to express something they can't do here. It's really that simple. Morris, for example, always wanted to be a solo act, period. But when you're broke and selling shoes someplace, you don't think about asking such a thing. Now, I think Morris is trying to create his own identity. One of the ways of doing that is trying to pretend that you don't have a past.

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Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."

I think that particular interview (RS Summer 1985) was one of his most honest and revealing. He was riding high, taking a breath, and ready to share his side of some of the stories and situations that had been written in the press.

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Reply #357 posted 02/20/19 10:44am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

MattyJam said:

Jesse always struck me as having a chip on his shoulder.

This piece from Prince in 1985 says a lot of how he viewed the individuals and where he thought they are best suited. I think this friction has continued with Jesse and the Time until recently

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Why did Morris say such negative things about you after he left the band?

People who leave usually do so out of a need to express something they can't do here. It's really that simple. Morris, for example, always wanted to be a solo act, period. But when you're broke and selling shoes someplace, you don't think about asking such a thing. Now, I think Morris is trying to create his own identity. One of the ways of doing that is trying to pretend that you don't have a past.

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Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."

I never understood that even way back then when this interview came out. Jesse thought he should have been the frontman star? Unless that Morris would be a solo act and Jesse would be leader of The Time? As the guitarist and the singer? I think the way The Time was presented was the best decision (duh).
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[Edited 2/20/19 10:47am]

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #358 posted 02/20/19 10:47am

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rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This piece from Prince in 1985 says a lot of how he viewed the individuals and where he thought they are best suited. I think this friction has continued with Jesse and the Time until recently

.

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Why did Morris say such negative things about you after he left the band?

People who leave usually do so out of a need to express something they can't do here. It's really that simple. Morris, for example, always wanted to be a solo act, period. But when you're broke and selling shoes someplace, you don't think about asking such a thing. Now, I think Morris is trying to create his own identity. One of the ways of doing that is trying to pretend that you don't have a past.

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Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."

I never understood that even way back then when this interview came out. Jesse thought he should have been the frontman star? That doesnt even make sense.

Doesn't it sort of line up with what Jesse was trying to do not long after leaving though? Didn't he put out several records not long after leaving the Prince camp?

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Studio albums[edit]

YearAlbum detailsChart positionsCertifications
(sales thresholds) USUS R&B 1985 Jesse Johnson's Revue
  • Labels: A&M Records
43 8 700,000 (Worldwide Sales) 1986 Shockadelica
  • Labels: A&M Records
70 15 1,000,000 (Worldwide Sales) 1988 Every Shade of Love
  • Labels: A&M Records
79 26 500,000 (Worldwide Sales)

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rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This piece from Prince in 1985 says a lot of how he viewed the individuals and where he thought they are best suited. I think this friction has continued with Jesse and the Time until recently

.

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Why did Morris say such negative things about you after he left the band?

People who leave usually do so out of a need to express something they can't do here. It's really that simple. Morris, for example, always wanted to be a solo act, period. But when you're broke and selling shoes someplace, you don't think about asking such a thing. Now, I think Morris is trying to create his own identity. One of the ways of doing that is trying to pretend that you don't have a past.

.

Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."

I never understood that even way back then when this interview came out. Jesse thought he should have been the frontman star? Unless that Morris would be a solo act and Jesse would be leader of The Time? As the guitarist and the singer? I think the way The Time was presented was the best decision (duh).
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[Edited 2/20/19 10:47am]

Yes, Jesse wanted to front the Time, maybe being a guitarist he felt he should have been the frontman... like Prince.

And after her had that night where he semi did in 1984, Prince wasn't into the idea and that is when Jesse left the camp

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