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Thread started 06/21/19 6:47am

RodeoSchro

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Any place to zero, you are number one


That is, of course, a line from "Good Love". For most of the first few years I grooved to that song, I thought he was singing something about a race to zero, and she is always the winner. Like with everything else Prince back then, I assumed he meant the woman reached climax first.

But then my ears unclogged and I realized that he was singing, "Any place to zero, you are number one". And I damn near fell out of my chair.

I had to think real hard back to high school math, but as I recalled any number with an exponent of zero was number 1. I checked Google and...yep! All numbers (except zero) to the zero power are 1! "Any place to zero, you are number one".

It's mind-blowing to me that he somehow either remembered this lightly-used mathematical rule, or understood it when someone told it to him.

"Any place to zero, you are number one" might just be the most clever line I've ever heard.

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Reply #1 posted 06/21/19 7:08am

Seahorsie

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He had so many great lines when you really delve into them. It would be great to get new music, so we could peruse them too, my friend. Ahh well...
Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling...
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Reply #2 posted 06/21/19 8:51am

AvocadosMax

Wow I know that rule and I never thought he was referring to that
*mind blown*

Best song ever.
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Reply #3 posted 06/21/19 10:54am

barnswallow

Love that clarification. I had been thinking of statistical stuff, the normal curve, where everything under the curve adds up to one. But, your explanation seems right and clever. On a side note, I've been listening to that song a lot lately and need to give Gustav Mahler #3 a run. Has anyone listened to it? "Gustav Mahler, number three, jammin' on the box!"

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Reply #4 posted 06/21/19 11:28am

namepeace

I'm hard pressed to find a better one. Of all of the jewels he recorded during the Golden Age, this one is one of the most fun.

Had the film it first appeared in, Bright Lights, Big City been more successful, this song may have been a hit. (solid soundtrack, fwiw)

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Reply #5 posted 06/21/19 11:50am

emesem

Nice theory but dont think that was it. Maybe he was thinking of rounding to the Xth place. Or "place" in the sence of a ranking (e.g. first place, second place etc) but she that she is always #1.

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Reply #6 posted 06/21/19 12:11pm

namepeace

emesem said:

Nice theory but dont think that was it. Maybe he was thinking of rounding to the Xth place. Or "place" in the sence of a ranking (e.g. first place, second place etc) but she that she is always #1.


a great line any way you slice it.

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Reply #7 posted 06/21/19 1:17pm

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Great tune! biggrin

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Reply #8 posted 06/21/19 1:25pm

Dandroppedadim
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I also prefer the shorter (Crystal Ball) edit. Strange as I usually always go for the longest possible version of most of his songs. I just don’t like the ‘Good Love part 2’ line.
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Reply #9 posted 06/21/19 1:31pm

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Also on another tip, I realised Prince was a genius, because all those songs with that solid drum beat (the Camille songs plus others of that era), DON’T work together, they sound too similar, but he was clever enough to realise this and drip feed them over the years (SOTT, black album, b-sides, compilations etc). He was a great editor/selector of his songs during his heyday. Something no one involved with his legacy could possibly live up to today.
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Reply #10 posted 06/21/19 6:41pm

violetcrush

barnswallow said:

Love that clarification. I had been thinking of statistical stuff, the normal curve, where everything under the curve adds up to one. But, your explanation seems right and clever. On a side note, I've been listening to that song a lot lately and need to give Gustav Mahler #3 a run. Has anyone listened to it? "Gustav Mahler, number three, jammin' on the box!"


I did pull Gustav 3 up on YT. It’s nice and it does reach a “climactic” point (pun intended biggrin ) during the piece.
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Prince also mentions Mahler in his revised version of I Hate U - “I know he didn’t make you holler, and if he did it wasn’t like the time we did it to Mahler. Don’t you remember? You were my nasty lady and you never felt the need to lay another down. Now all you are to me is an old flame, and when it burns out I’ll be free of the mouth, the lips I used to kiss, my baby, my little nasty miss”
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Good Lord I LOVE that remix!!!
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Reply #11 posted 06/21/19 7:08pm

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I always thought he had just reversed the idea of a rating system, 0 to 10, or 0 to 100, with 0 being none, and 100 being the worst or best or whatever. It was a rating system that was used quite a bit when I was younger, too, between us kids. "If you had to rate Chris from 0 to 10 as to whether he is cute or not, where would you rate him? With 10 being not cute and 0 being the cutest you ever seen." (Or vice versa. It's been a long time since I was kid.)

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Reply #12 posted 06/22/19 1:11am

databank

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RodeoSchro said:


That is, of course, a line from "Good Love". For most of the first few years I grooved to that song, I thought he was singing something about a race to zero, and she is always the winner. Like with everything else Prince back then, I assumed he meant the woman reached climax first.

But then my ears unclogged and I realized that he was singing, "Any place to zero, you are number one". And I damn near fell out of my chair.

I had to think real hard back to high school math, but as I recalled any number with an exponent of zero was number 1. I checked Google and...yep! All numbers (except zero) to the zero power are 1! "Any place to zero, you are number one".

It's mind-blowing to me that he somehow either remembered this lightly-used mathematical rule, or understood it when someone told it to him.

"Any place to zero, you are number one" might just be the most clever line I've ever heard.

OK, that's cool because I always wondered what he meant. Only thing is I suck badly at maths (always hated it in skool, I was the lit type).

Could someone explain this to me in simple terms? lol

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Reply #13 posted 06/22/19 6:38am

barnswallow

databank said:

OK, that's cool because I always wondered what he meant. Only thing is I suck badly at maths (always hated it in skool, I was the lit type).

Could someone explain this to me in simple terms? lol

Here's an explanation:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pre-algebra/pre-algebra-exponents-radicals/pre-algebra-exponents/v/raising-a-number-to-the-0th-and-1st-power

Sorry. I can't figure out how to make a proper link, so you'll have to cut-and-paste to see/hear it.

Any suggestion on how to make a link, appreciated.

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Reply #14 posted 06/22/19 8:23am

E319

benni said:

I always thought he had just reversed the idea of a rating system, 0 to 10, or 0 to 100, with 0 being none, and 100 being the worst or best or whatever. It was a rating system that was used quite a bit when I was younger, too, between us kids. "If you had to rate Chris from 0 to 10 as to whether he is cute or not, where would you rate him? With 10 being not cute and 0 being the cutest you ever seen." (Or vice versa. It's been a long time since I was kid.)



I think your explanation is the most likely correct. I’m a high school math teacher and I find the 0 exponent explanation highly unlikely and “any place to zero” does not sound like a reference to that exponent rule at all to me.
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Reply #15 posted 06/22/19 8:53am

violetcrush

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benni said:

I always thought he had just reversed the idea of a rating system, 0 to 10, or 0 to 100, with 0 being none, and 100 being the worst or best or whatever. It was a rating system that was used quite a bit when I was younger, too, between us kids. "If you had to rate Chris from 0 to 10 as to whether he is cute or not, where would you rate him? With 10 being not cute and 0 being the cutest you ever seen." (Or vice versa. It's been a long time since I was kid.)

I think your explanation is the most likely correct. I’m a high school math teacher and I find the 0 exponent explanation highly unlikely and “any place to zero” does not sound like a reference to that exponent rule at all to me.

I actually think the OP might be on to something. You are a math teacher and would surely know more than the average person, but with exponents don't we say "X to the Y power?" - ex. 10 to the 2nd power. So, in the lyrical context of this song "any number to the power of (or place to) 0 is the number 1". It's possible that Prince switched up the phrasing - as he often did - so the lyric flowed better with the rest of the song.

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I don't think he was a math wiz by any means, but it's possible that he would have remembered this rule, or been reminded of it by someone or something before he wrote the song.

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Reply #16 posted 06/22/19 10:49am

E319

violetcrush said:



E319 said:


benni said:

I always thought he had just reversed the idea of a rating system, 0 to 10, or 0 to 100, with 0 being none, and 100 being the worst or best or whatever. It was a rating system that was used quite a bit when I was younger, too, between us kids. "If you had to rate Chris from 0 to 10 as to whether he is cute or not, where would you rate him? With 10 being not cute and 0 being the cutest you ever seen." (Or vice versa. It's been a long time since I was kid.)



I think your explanation is the most likely correct. I’m a high school math teacher and I find the 0 exponent explanation highly unlikely and “any place to zero” does not sound like a reference to that exponent rule at all to me.


I actually think the OP might be on to something. You are a math teacher and would surely know more than the average person, but with exponents don't we say "X to the Y power?" - ex. 10 to the 2nd power. So, in the lyrical context of this song "any number to the power of (or place to) 0 is the number 1". It's possible that Prince switched up the phrasing - as he often did - so the lyric flowed better with the rest of the song.


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I don't think he was a math wiz by any means, but it's possible that he would have remembered this rule, or been reminded of it by someone or something before he wrote the song.



The exponent rule you guys are mentioning is correct, but you would never say ”to the place of” when referring to an exponent. You would say “to the power of.” I think some of you are reading way too much into Prince’s lyrics in this case. I don’t think it was that deep.
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Reply #17 posted 06/22/19 12:07pm

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benni said:

I always thought he had just reversed the idea of a rating system, 0 to 10, or 0 to 100, with 0 being none, and 100 being the worst or best or whatever. It was a rating system that was used quite a bit when I was younger, too, between us kids. "If you had to rate Chris from 0 to 10 as to whether he is cute or not, where would you rate him? With 10 being not cute and 0 being the cutest you ever seen." (Or vice versa. It's been a long time since I was kid.)


Yes i always thought this was it. I mean, makes sense right? If he would have to give her a number, she would be number 1.
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Reply #18 posted 06/22/19 3:37pm

jdcxc

Love this song...extremely underrated.
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Reply #19 posted 06/24/19 3:48am

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barnswallow said:

databank said:

OK, that's cool because I always wondered what he meant. Only thing is I suck badly at maths (always hated it in skool, I was the lit type).

Could someone explain this to me in simple terms? lol

Here's an explanation:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pre-algebra/pre-algebra-exponents-radicals/pre-algebra-exponents/v/raising-a-number-to-the-0th-and-1st-power

Sorry. I can't figure out how to make a proper link, so you'll have to cut-and-paste to see/hear it.

Any suggestion on how to make a link, appreciated.

Oh lawd I think it's too technical for me lol , but thx biggrin

For links, see "code help" under the emoticons.

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Reply #20 posted 06/24/19 5:24am

barnswallow

databank said:

barnswallow said:

Here's an explanation:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pre-algebra/pre-algebra-exponents-radicals/pre-algebra-exponents/v/raising-a-number-to-the-0th-and-1st-power

Sorry. I can't figure out how to make a proper link, so you'll have to cut-and-paste to see/hear it.

Any suggestion on how to make a link, appreciated.

Oh lawd I think it's too technical for me lol , but thx biggrin

For links, see "code help" under the emoticons.

Oh... thanks for 'code help'. Sorry for math anxiety-inducing link. That clip would explain the issue of '0' exponents better than I could, for sure. I'll try though. The point is that any number 'raised to the power of zero' is equal to 'one'. That is, except for 0 raised to the 0 power. You: bored

  • 10=1

  • 70=1

  • 20ten0=1

  • 31210=1

  • 78010=1

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Reply #21 posted 06/24/19 5:45am

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I always thought thats what he meant with that lyric...now this confirns it. Dude was simply brilliant is SO many ways!!

One of my top songs from him. Immediately makes me think of Summer for some reason...

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Reply #22 posted 06/24/19 8:00am

RodeoSchro

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E319 said:

violetcrush said:

I actually think the OP might be on to something. You are a math teacher and would surely know more than the average person, but with exponents don't we say "X to the Y power?" - ex. 10 to the 2nd power. So, in the lyrical context of this song "any number to the power of (or place to) 0 is the number 1". It's possible that Prince switched up the phrasing - as he often did - so the lyric flowed better with the rest of the song.

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I don't think he was a math wiz by any means, but it's possible that he would have remembered this rule, or been reminded of it by someone or something before he wrote the song.

The exponent rule you guys are mentioning is correct, but you would never say ”to the place of” when referring to an exponent. You would say “to the power of.” I think some of you are reading way too much into Prince’s lyrics in this case. I don’t think it was that deep.




Hey now! Considering Prince ALSO placed the Penguin Joke in this song, I do not think we can underestimate the depths of geniousity here!

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Reply #23 posted 06/24/19 9:00am

violetcrush

barnswallow said:



databank said:




barnswallow said:



Here's an explanation:


https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pre-algebra/pre-algebra-exponents-radicals/pre-algebra-exponents/v/raising-a-number-to-the-0th-and-1st-power



Sorry. I can't figure out how to make a proper link, so you'll have to cut-and-paste to see/hear it.


Any suggestion on how to make a link, appreciated.



Oh lawd I think it's too technical for me lol , but thx biggrin


For links, see "code help" under the emoticons.



Oh... thanks for 'code help'. Sorry for math anxiety-inducing link. That clip would explain the issue of '0' exponents better than I could, for sure. I'll try though. The point is that any number 'raised to the power of zero' is equal to 'one'. That is, except for 0 raised to the 0 power. You: bored




  • 10=1



  • 70=1



  • 20ten0=1



  • 31210=1



  • 78010=1





YES!!! “Any “place” to Zero you are number 1. Baby in the heat of the night you are my favorite fun.”
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Just his very clever and catchy lyrical way of expressing that she is his #1 girl.
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Reply #24 posted 06/24/19 9:04am

violetcrush

Poplife88 said:

I always thought thats what he meant with that lyric...now this confirns it. Dude was simply brilliant is SO many ways!!



One of my top songs from him. Immediately makes me think of Summer for some reason...


He originally recorded it October of ‘86 in LA, which would have still had “Summer” weather at that time, so it does have that vibe about it smile Like a “driving with the top down” feel to it.
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Reply #25 posted 06/24/19 11:18am

emesem

lol

I love the "part 2!" part. Memories. I used to work for this great dude who was a part time musician at a retail store can he used to make fun of my Price mixes claiming just when he though the song was over, Prince would come in and say "PART 2!" and it would go on for 5 more mins.

Dandroppedadime said:

I also prefer the shorter (Crystal Ball) edit. Strange as I usually always go for the longest possible version of most of his songs. I just don’t like the ‘Good Love part 2’ line.

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