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Reply #60 posted 02/04/20 1:20pm

jfenster

SoulAlive said:

the songs that got left off this album are also amazing: "Ripopgodazippa"."Hide The Bone","Days Of Wild",just to name a few,are all top-notch songs!!

wouldve been too perfect

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Reply #61 posted 02/12/20 5:08pm

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RODSERLING said:

LoveGalore said:
I think the artists you listed are all great and they did wonderful albums. Do I think Wu Tang broke new ground? Aphex Twin? Ehhhh. I don't wanna derail but those artists, to me, are still following in the footsteps of Numan, Reznor, Eazy E, Bowie, The DOC, Dr Dre, and even Prince himself. Could TGE be Prince's album of the decade? Shit yeah. Listen, nearly every Prince album has some sort of cheeseball aspect because that was part of his shtick. It's how songs like "Do U Lie" or "Gotta Broken Heart Again" or even, as amazing as it is, "Delirious"! He had a sense of humor, too, which is why that ridiculous chorus on "Pussy Control" works so well. Nobody but prince could get away with that shit. As I said elsewhere, it's every Prince concept dialed up a few notches. It's overproduced in the same way Purple Rain could be considered overproduced compared to it's grimey cousin 1999 or it's underproduced but cheesey child ATWIAD. Similarly, TGE is so much grander than it's related albums Come and Chaos & Disorder. But the performances are impeccable, there is great writing to be had all over - to me, "I Hate U" is like taking Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear and giving it a machete.
There are some clunkers on Gold. Sshhh...for instance is boring. The remix of TMBGITW is terrible. What was the point in slaughtering the original track, God only knows (to avoid the plagiarism suit?) Dolphin is an average song. I love We March, but I read very negative reviews here.

Maybe he put it there are an "F-you" to WB for asking the song for album release and fearing that promtion will be driven by TMBGITW, as he owned the masters to the original version and put a different mix (the Monetrux one) instead.

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Reply #62 posted 02/12/20 6:31pm

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LoveGalore said:

jaawwnn said:

RODSERLING is correct in that Gold Experience hasn't had much of a long-lasting impact in the way his 80s albums did. Probably because, for all its being a great album, it was hardly cutting edge or breaking new ground, and a lot of people just look back and see angry prince with slave on his face. Look back to the 80s and you see this cutting edge artist who was also on the top of the charts. It's not strange at all that Dirty Mind is on every list, it's a visionary album.

I challenge you to find an album by any artist around that time that legitimately broke new ground rather than just improved upon what existed. Nothing new under the sun. Dirty Mind is only visionary in that it marked a dramatic pivot for Prince. For all intents and purposes, it is where the Prince we knew was born. Is it a great album? Meh. I'm of the mind that it's no better than the two before it and he certainly did better iterations of whatever he accomplished on later albums. I never go to Dirty Mind over any of the other 80s albums. Gold Experience was lauded by critics not because it necessarily broke new ground (but I promise you that "Billy Jack Bitch" certainly did and I'd wager so did "I Hate U" and "Gold"), but that it is a pristine example of what makes Prince... Prince. Every concept Prince ever promoted, every aesthetic, every message is brought to bear on that record in stunning fashion. It is, frankly, a masterpiece. It is also the most tragic record in his catalog because it was overshadowed by drama then and remains as such today. Yet it is still one of his most timeless and brilliant albums to date. Certainly the shining star of the decade. [Edited 1/31/20 4:37am]

VIBE magazine called it his next Sign o the Times and it´s a cool album with great songs butt I disagree abit about the timeless part cuz those NPG operator segues sound dated today.

I've dated outside of my race and I discovered that Good Pussy is Good Pussy and Good Booty is Good Booty regardless of ethnicity...I don't have a Fetish for only Big White Tits, Big White Butts or Phat White Pussy.(chancellor) smile wise man !
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Reply #63 posted 02/12/20 6:36pm

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RODSERLING said:

LoveGalore said:



I challenge you to find an album by any artist around that time that legitimately broke new ground rather than just improved upon what existed. Nothing new under the sun.

Dirty Mind is only visionary in that it marked a dramatic pivot for Prince. For all intents and purposes, it is where the Prince we knew was born. Is it a great album? Meh. I'm of the mind that it's no better than the two before it and he certainly did better iterations of whatever he accomplished on later albums. I never go to Dirty Mind over any of the other 80s albums.

Gold Experience was lauded by critics not because it necessarily broke new ground (but I promise you that "Billy Jack Bitch" certainly did and I'd wager so did "I Hate U" and "Gold"), but that it is a pristine example of what makes Prince... Prince. Every concept Prince ever promoted, every aesthetic, every message is brought to bear on that record in stunning fashion. It is, frankly, a masterpiece.

It is also the most tragic record in his catalog because it was overshadowed by drama then and remains as such today. Yet it is still one of his most timeless and brilliant albums to date. Certainly the shining star of the decade.
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Of course, in a better world, Gold could have sold 10 millions, with the eponymous track being the anthem of a new generation. Well, it didn't.
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But don't get me wrong : there are such crappy albums on those lists that it make no sense some albums are missing. Gold could well fit in it. But it is completely forgotten.
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I don't understand why Dirty Mind especially is on every list beside PR, 1999 and SOTT.
Dirty Mind was more or less an electronical sound that already existed ( Cars by Gary Numan, Yellow Magic Orchestra, etc.) and I understand the lyrics were daring for the puritans Americans, but this was nothing new in Europe- the reason why it remained unnoticed there.
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I would rather see the Black Album, Lovesexy, D&P or even Rainbow Children on those kind of list.
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"when you were mine" is to me Prince's best song ever
so underrated..
"Dirty Mind" should be in his Top 5 best albums list always
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Reply #64 posted 02/13/20 1:03pm

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RODSERLING said:

Of course, when Gold was released, critics talked about it. They reviewed it, that was their job. But it didn't make a lasting impact on the critics. Nobody talks about this album since 1996. . Strangely, Dirty Mind is on every list. .

You're correct. The lustre of The Gold Experience seems to fade more and more every year since it came out, even among Prince fans. Here it used to be taken for granted as his best of the 90s, now anytime someone intimates that it continually incites pages of debate. The proof is in the post count.

Anyway for me personally that record used to be Top 5 material, but to say it aged terribly would be putting it lightly.

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Reply #65 posted 02/13/20 1:49pm

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Don't understand the criticism of The Gold Experience.

All this 'it's aged terribly' or 'should have had different versions of the songs on'... I just don't get it.

I love the outtakes and the earlier versions of the songs, but the versions of Endorphinemachine and others that are on here are stellar, to me. P Control is a fantastic opener, and the album just RIPS from there.

It never lags, it's never dull. The segues are okay. Not the greatest thing about it, but they're just fine. And it build and builds to Billy Jack Bitch, I Hate U and Gold... a fantastic triumvirate of closing songs!

The weakest link for me is We March, which tends towards the cheesy side, but even that is not bad...

It's a brilliant album that hasn't aged a bit, to me. It was exciting then, and it still is now.

And all teh remixes, EPs and outtakes just made this era rich indeed.

Would eat a Super Deluxe Edition whole and it would barely touch the sides as it went down.

Bring. It. On.

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Reply #66 posted 02/13/20 2:33pm

SoulAlive

Rimshottbob said:

Don't understand the criticism of The Gold Experience.

All this 'it's aged terribly' or 'should have had different versions of the songs on'... I just don't get it.

I love the outtakes and the earlier versions of the songs, but the versions of Endorphinemachine and others that are on here are stellar, to me. P Control is a fantastic opener, and the album just RIPS from there.

It never lags, it's never dull. The segues are okay. Not the greatest thing about it, but they're just fine. And it build and builds to Billy Jack Bitch, I Hate U and Gold... a fantastic triumvirate of closing songs!

The weakest link for me is We March, which tends towards the cheesy side, but even that is not bad...

It's a brilliant album that hasn't aged a bit, to me. It was exciting then, and it still is now.

And all teh remixes, EPs and outtakes just made this era rich indeed.

Would eat a Super Deluxe Edition whole and it would barely touch the sides as it went down.

Bring. It. On.

I totally agree.The Gold Experience is a top-notch Prince album.These songs are strong and inspired.

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Reply #67 posted 02/13/20 2:36pm

SoulAlive

when we have those "What is your favorite Prince album of the 90s?" threads,I usually always choose The Gold Experience,although Love Symbol is a close runner-up smile both albums are superb

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