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Thread started 09/12/20 7:05am

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'slave': how influenced was prince by nine inch nails?

Listening to their broken ep/album which prince supposedly liked a lot and wondering if prince liked the song happiness in slavery, written about trent Reznors issues with his then label.at the time, tvt. Maybe it influenced his writing slave on his cheek and his attitude towards labels....

https://genius.com/Nine-i...ery-lyrics

[Verse 1]
(Slave screams) He thinks he knows what he wants
(Slave screams) Thinks he has something to say
(Slave screams) He hears but doesn't want to listen
(Slave screams) He's being beat into submission

[Chorus 1]
Don't open your eyes you won't like what you see
The devils of truth steal the souls of the free
Don't open your eyes, take it from me
I have found
You can find
Happiness in slavery
Happiness in slavery

[Verse 2]
(Slave screams) He spends his life learning conformity
(Slave screams) He claims he has his own identity
(Slave screams) He's going to cause the system to fall
(Slave screams) But he's glad to be chained to that wall

[Chorus 2]
Don't open your eyes you won't like what you see
The blind have been blessed with security
Don't open your eyes, take it from me
I have found
You can find
Happiness in slavery
Happiness in slavery
Happiness in slavery
Happiness in slavery
Happiness
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Reply #1 posted 09/12/20 9:48am

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For sure.

I pointed out in my Twitter megathread about "Pheromone" that I felt a strong NIN influence, and "Happiness In Slavery" was the song I pointed to.

https://twitter.com/Casey...4481549322

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Reply #2 posted 09/12/20 10:11am

Kares

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Militant said:

For sure.

I pointed out in my Twitter megathread about "Pheromone" that I felt a strong NIN influence, and "Happiness In Slavery" was the song I pointed to.

https://twitter.com/Casey...4481549322

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As for lyrics that can be interpreted in at least 2 different ways, one of them being a BDSM-related interpretation: I don't think Prince needed NIN's influence, he's been writing them way before Reznor.
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Regarding the music though, I always felt 'Loose' has been influenced by NIN.

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[Edited 9/12/20 10:15am]

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Reply #3 posted 09/12/20 10:24am

Strive

Personally I don't think Happiness In Slavery inspired Prince's slave talk but there are alot of influences between the two.

The Loose video seems inspired by the Broken Movie (more specifically the Wish video)

Had U from Chaos And Disorder was very much like Eraser from The Downward Spiral.

Even Beginning Endlessly seems like it has a part inspired by Zero Sum from Year Zero.

"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #4 posted 09/12/20 11:08am

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Strive said:

Personally I don't think Happiness In Slavery inspired Prince's slave talk but there are alot of influences between the two.

The Loose video seems inspired by the Broken Movie (more specifically the Wish video)

Had U from Chaos And Disorder was very much like Eraser from The Downward Spiral.

Even Beginning Endlessly seems like it has a part inspired by Zero Sum from Year Zero.


interesting, Pheremone, Had U, and even Beginning Endlessly are favorites of mine.

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Reply #5 posted 09/12/20 2:44pm

SPYZFAN1

I read P used to drive around with "Pretty Hate Machine" cranked in his car.

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Reply #6 posted 09/12/20 4:05pm

ForceofNature

Early NIN, Pretty Hate Machine era does have some very groove oriented sounds I bet Prince would dig. Head Like A Hole, Terrible Lie, etc. A bit darker in tone than even Prince's most angry ninties era tunes but it wouldn't suprise me like someone in this thread said, if NIN informed at least some songs off of Come for example

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Reply #7 posted 09/12/20 9:38pm

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The Hesistation Marks album has a lot of Prince style grooves in it - it's easily the most RnB/dance driven album in the NiN discography.

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Reply #8 posted 09/13/20 12:05am

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Kares said:

Militant said:

For sure.

I pointed out in my Twitter megathread about "Pheromone" that I felt a strong NIN influence, and "Happiness In Slavery" was the song I pointed to.

https://twitter.com/Casey...4481549322

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As for lyrics that can be interpreted in at least 2 different ways, one of them being a BDSM-related interpretation: I don't think Prince needed NIN's influence, he's been writing them way before Reznor.

Regarding the music though, I always felt 'Loose' has been influenced by NIN.


I sorta get the hollow reverby groove under "Happiness is Slavery" being compared to "Pheromone," but the synths are way closer to "Loose!".

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Reply #9 posted 09/13/20 4:23am

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I thought the sound you hear in Loose! was due to his engineer Bryan Black's involvement.

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Reply #10 posted 09/13/20 5:35am

Kares

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I thought the sound you hear in Loose! was due to his engineer Bryan Black's involvement.

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By Black's own account he worked at Paisley from 1995, a year after Come came out.

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Reply #11 posted 09/14/20 6:32am

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Reply #12 posted 09/14/20 2:52pm

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How influenced? Very influenced. Clearly.

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Reply #13 posted 09/14/20 6:09pm

jfenster

SPYZFAN1 said:

I read P used to drive around with "Pretty Hate Machine" cranked in his car.


Wasn't it broken that he did this to?
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Reply #14 posted 09/14/20 6:28pm

SPYZFAN1

It might have been....The "P.H.M" disc was the rumor I heard back in the early "pre internet" 90's.

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Reply #15 posted 09/14/20 7:07pm

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Kares said:



Militant said:


For sure.



I pointed out in my Twitter megathread about "Pheromone" that I felt a strong NIN influence, and "Happiness In Slavery" was the song I pointed to.

https://twitter.com/Casey...4481549322



.
As for lyrics that can be interpreted in at least 2 different ways, one of them being a BDSM-related interpretation: I don't think Prince needed NIN's influence, he's been writing them way before Reznor.
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Regarding the music though, I always felt 'Loose' has been influenced by NIN.


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[Edited 9/12/20 10:15am]


I would say Prodigy more than NIN but 2 each their own.
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Reply #16 posted 09/15/20 7:09am

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luv2tha99s said:

Kares said:

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As for lyrics that can be interpreted in at least 2 different ways, one of them being a BDSM-related interpretation: I don't think Prince needed NIN's influence, he's been writing them way before Reznor.
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Regarding the music though, I always felt 'Loose' has been influenced by NIN.

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I would say Prodigy more than NIN but 2 each their own.

"Loose" is way more Prodigy than NIN. Something off of "Experience". I'd say it bites off "Jilted", but that came out a year after "Loose" was started, so maybe not.

now i know what this is all about. now i know exactly what i am.
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Reply #17 posted 09/15/20 3:47pm

jfenster

SPYZFAN1 said:

It might have been....The "P.H.M" disc was the rumor I heard back in the early "pre internet" 90's.



A nin book said broken
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